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ianstone
08-13-2010, 06:37 PM
Ground Zero mosque plans 'fuelling anti-Muslim protests across US'

Religious leaders warn of Islamophobia surge with hate speech and opposition to new Islamic centres across America

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/8/12/1281640280506/New-York-World-Trade-Cent-006.jpg A woman holds up a sign protesting plans to build a mosque close to the World Trade Centre site in New York. Photograph: Michael Nagle/Getty Images
The battle over plans to build a mosque near the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks in New York is fuelling a surge in anti-Muslim protests across the US, including opposition to new Islamic centres from California to Georgia.
Religious leaders and civil rights activists warn that a tide of Islamophobia that has swept the country since the destruction of the twin towers is being heightened by political exploitation of the New York dispute before nationwide elections and is increasingly bound up with hostility to immigrants and other forms of racism.
They say the outpouring of condemnation at the "outrage" of a mosque close to the "hallowed ground" of the World Trade Centre site also goes hand in hand with the increasing acceptability of what they describe as hate speech.
A Florida church, Dove World Outreach Centre, is planning a "burn the Qur'an" day on September 11 and has already outraged Muslims by planting a sign on its front lawn that reads: Islam (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/islam) is the Devil.
The church's senior pastor, Terry Jones, has said he is "exposing Islam for what it is".
"It is a violent and oppressive religion (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/religion) that is trying to masquerade itself as a religion of peace, seeking to deceive our society," the church said. "Islam is a lie based upon lies and deceptions and fear. In Muslim countries, if you preach the gospel or convert to Christianity – you will be killed. That is the type of religion it is."
A leading Muslim educational institution, al-Azhar's Supreme Council in Egypt, has accused the Florida church of "stirring up hate and discrimination" and called on other American churches to condemn it.
Many religious leaders have spoken out against Muslim-bashing, including rabbis in New York who have defended the plans for the mosque two blocks from the site of the 9/11 attacks, which would not be visible from Ground Zero.
But John Esposito, director of the Centre for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University, said many Americans shared Jones's views. He said the dispute over the proposed mosque had given cover for more open hostility unleashed after the 9/11 attacks that was evident during the last presidential election when some of Barack Obama's opponents attempted to portray him as a Muslim.
"The World Trade Centre thing has shown that what has been up to now seen as a local issue has gone global and provided an umbrella so that suddenly people feel freer to go public with their objections to Muslims," he said.
"Historically we've had problems in Mississippi or Georgia or New York or wherever when someone wants to establish a mosque.
"The cover for opposition used to be that people will say: we're not really prejudiced but it'll affect the traffic in the area, not facing the fact that it is very common if you have a significant number of Jews or Protestants or Catholics to expect that they're going to want to have a synagogue or a church and chances are the town's going to go along with it."
But today, Americans increasingly no longer shy away from saying they oppose mosques on the grounds that Muslims are a threat or different.
In New York, a group called the American Freedom Defence Initiative is placing adverts on New York buses showing a plane flying into one of the World Trade Centre towers and what it calls a "Mega Mosque" and asking "Why There?".
Azeem Khan, of the Islamic Circle of North America, said the bus adverts promoted fear and hatred. "People want Islam and Muslims to be the bogeyman right now," he said.
The issue is increasingly being exploited by politicians in the run-up to November's mid-term elections. Opposition to a mosque in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, intensified after Republican candidates for Congress and state governor made opposition part of their campaigns.
Sarah Palin, the former vice presidential candidate, has been a vocal opponent of the controversial New York mosque.
Other prominent politicians have cast the net wider. Newt Gingrich, the Republican former speaker of the House of Representatives, who is thought likely to make a run for president, has warned that Muslims are attempting to impose sharia law in the US and that it poses a "mortal threat to freedom" in America.
Gingrich said that he would push for legislation to prevent states from adopting sharia law even though none are proposing it and there is no likely prospect of it happening.
Esposito said politicians' fearmongering over Muslims was similar to exploitation of fears that the country was being swamped by a tide of illegal immigrants.
"Islamophobia is not just about religion. It's about people who are of colour and a whole set of presuppositions about these people," he said.
"You can see it not only with Muslims but with Mexicans, people who look Hispanic. Now we have hard data from Gallup and Pew that demonstrate in America how integrated the vast majority of Muslims are – economically, politically and religiously. And yet a significant number of Americans can be appealed to in what is nothing less than hate speech, the same hate speech directed against immigrants."

Toki
08-13-2010, 07:09 PM
It's not about color, it's about the murder of over 2,000 of our brothers and sisters at the hand of people who perverted a religion. People in the US know what is to come if Islam spreads around the country. We know this because the UK is under siege by these same people.

I don't plan seeing new mosques being built below the Bible belt. Protestants don't fool around.

Mel
08-13-2010, 07:12 PM
Sometimes when you sit in silence you're as guilty as the perpetrator.

windexglow
08-14-2010, 10:54 AM
I'd take a guess most people in those protests have never talked to a muslim.

gazzthompson
08-14-2010, 08:15 PM
allowing the Islamic center to be built would reaffirm America's religious freedom. al-Qaida's cause is not Islam, but a gross distortion of Islam. Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in the US, And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property

I think people see 9/11 and Mosque and freak because they feel the two are connected which they are not. Mosque =/= Al Qaeda.

The area surrounding ground zero isn't holy. And erecting a mosque there would be detrimental to the morale of the terrorists.
It would show the world that (for those who believe it) the US isn't at war with Islam, and for the rest, that the US recognizes the difference between muslims and terrorists.

Toki
08-14-2010, 09:42 PM
allowing the Islamic center to be built would reaffirm America's religious freedom. al-Qaida's cause is not Islam, but a gross distortion of Islam. Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in the US, And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property

I think people see 9/11 and Mosque and freak because they feel the two are connected which they are not. Mosque =/= Al Qaeda.

The area surrounding ground zero isn't holy. And erecting a mosque there would be detrimental to the morale of the terrorists.
It would show the world that (for those who believe it) the US isn't at war with Islam, and for the rest, that the US recognizes the difference between muslims and terrorists.


I too believe in religious freedom. But where do you think extremists are brain washed by this hateful propaganda?

Dubmonkey
08-15-2010, 12:38 AM
The Constitution is a great thing. It seems folk need a little read-up on it

mickk
08-15-2010, 05:06 AM
If that Mosque gets built, I will personally fly to the US and blow the fucking thing and all those in it sky high.

That is if no locals beat me to it.

Regards to the CIA, FBI and SS.

Toki
08-15-2010, 08:47 AM
The Constitution is a great thing. It seems folk need a little read-up on it

Doesn't really help when it threatens national security.

Stark
08-15-2010, 09:34 AM
There will always be people that go way way waaay out of their comfort zone and think of anything others could/should piss them off.

Lets see - Americans are a little touchy about muslims
How can we piss them off?
Oh I get it!!!!

Thats one way of thinking.

The other would be - that the US should NOT and every citizen should not see this as a provocation but make a stand that all this shit in the past few years has nothing todo with over 99% of all muslims in this world but only with a fraction of
radical muslims.
You would have a chance to make a stand here and say: Yes build the mosque.

My bet is, if you guys would have simply not made a big deal out of this but just let them do their thing - most likly they wouldn't have build it in the first place.

Cross road right here

ianstone
08-15-2010, 09:58 AM
Why a 13 storey mosque, why not one story high.
Why don't we have a 13 storey Church in Kuwait
Why Don't we have a 13 storey Cathedral in down town Baghdad
Why are we tolerant when some of another religion simply hide and teach killing and murder in the mosque
Why are we showing tolerance, when to be tolerated one must be tolerant

I am exceptionally tolerant, but when it comes to these people.
Why should I stand there a let them piss down my leg whilst being financially better off the most. It is unjust

perocity
08-15-2010, 01:51 PM
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WASHINGTON — President Obama delivered a strong defense on Friday night of a proposed Muslim community center and mosque near ground zero in Manhattan, using a White House dinner celebrating Ramadan to proclaim that “as a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country.” After weeks of avoiding the high-profile battle over the center — his press secretary, Robert Gibbs, said last week that the president did not want to “get involved in local decision-making” — Mr. Obama stepped squarely into the thorny debate.

“I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. Ground zero is, indeed, hallowed ground,” the president said in remarks prepared for the annual White House iftar, the sunset meal breaking the day’s fast.

But, he continued: “This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are.”

In hosting the iftar, Mr. Obama was following a White House tradition that, while sporadic, dates to Thomas Jefferson, who held a sunset dinner for the first Muslim ambassador to the United States. President George W. Bush hosted iftars annually.

Aides to Mr. Obama say privately that he has always felt strongly about the proposed community center and mosque, but the White House did not want to weigh in until local authorities made a decision on the proposal, planned for two blocks from the site of the Sept. 11 attack on the World Trade Center.

Last week, New York City removed the final construction hurdle for the project, and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg spoke forcefully in favor of it.

The community center proposal has led to a national uproar over Islam, 9/11 and freedom of religion during a hotly contested midterm election season.

In New York, Rick A. Lazio, a Republican candidate for governor and a former member of the House of Representatives, issued a statement responding to Mr. Obama’s remarks, saying that the president was still “not listening to New Yorkers.”

“With over 100 mosques in New York City, this is not an issue of religion, but one of safety and security,” he said.

Sarah Palin, the former governor of Alaska and the Republican vice-presidential candidate in 2008, has called the project “an unnecessary provocation” and urged “peace-seeking Muslims” to reject it.

The Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish organization, has also opposed the center.

In his remarks, Mr. Obama distinguished between the terrorists who plotted the 9/11 attacks and Islam. “Al Qaeda’s cause is not Islam — it is a gross distortion of Islam,” the president said, adding, “In fact, Al Qaeda has killed more Muslims than people of any other religion, and that list includes innocent Muslims who were killed on 9/11.”

Noting that “Muslim Americans serve with honor in our military,” Mr. Obama said that at next week’s iftar at the Pentagon, “tribute will be paid to three soldiers who gave their lives in Iraq and now rest among the heroes of Arlington National Cemetery.”

Mr. Obama ran for office promising to improve relations with the Muslim world, by taking steps like closing the detention center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and more generally reaching out. In a speech in Cairo last year, he vowed “a new beginning.”

But Ali Abunimah, an Arab-American journalist and author, said the president has since left many Muslims disappointed.

“There has been no follow-through; Guantánamo is still open and so forth, so all you have left for him to show is in the symbolic field,” Mr. Abunimah said, adding that it was imperative for Mr. Obama to “stand up to Islamophobia.”

Once Mr. Bloomberg spoke out, the president’s course seemed clear, said Steven Clemons of the New America Foundation, a public policy institution here.

“Bloomberg’s speech was, I think, the pivotal one, and set the standard for leadership on this issue,” Mr. Clemons said.

Mr. Bloomberg, in a statement, said: “This proposed mosque and community center in Lower Manhattan is as important a test of the separation of church and state as we may see in our lifetime, and I applaud President Obama’s clarion defense of the freedom of religion tonight.”

Sharif el-Gamal, the developer on the project, said, “We are deeply moved and tremendously grateful for our president’s words.”

A building on the site of the proposed center is already used for prayers, and some worshipers there on Friday night discussed the president’s remarks.

Mohamed Haroun, an intern at a mechanical engineering firm, said, “What he should have said was: ‘This is a community decision. Constitutionally, they have the right to do it, but it’s a community decision and we should see what the local community wants to do.’ ”

Anne Barnard and M. Amedeo Tumolillo contributed reporting from New York.

gazzthompson
08-15-2010, 01:53 PM
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