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bobdina
03-26-2010, 12:27 PM
Conway Concerned With Gays in Barracks
March 26, 2010
Military.com|by Bryant Jordan

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The Marine Corps' top officer said March 25 that even if the ban on openly-serving gays in the services is lifted, he would draw the line at forcing heterosexual Marines to bunk with gays on base.

"We want to continue [two-person rooms], but I would not ask our Marines to live with someone who is homosexual if we can possibly avoid it," Marine Commandant Gen. James Conway told Military.com during an exclusive interview at the Pentagon. "And to me that means we have to build BEQs [bachelor enlisted quarters] and have single rooms."

Conway's comments came the same day that Defense Secretary Robert Gates reprimanded the Army's Pacific commander for publicly exhorting servicemembers and civilians to write to Congress to oppose repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. Army Lt. Gen. Benjamin Mixon made his views known in a letter published in Stars and Stripes on March 8.
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"If those of us who are in favor of retaining the current policy do not speak up, there is no chance to retain the current policy," Mixon said in his letter. Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen said Mixon should consider resigning over the comments, which fly in the face of President Obama's stated intent to end the ban on gays serving openly. Mullen is an advocate of repeal.

Also on March 25, Pentagon chief Robert Gates announced new guidelines intended to make it more difficult to boot someone from the service under DADT, including elevating the grade of officers able to separate gay servicemembers to flag and general officers only. Previously, O-6s could separate members determined to have committed homosexual conduct, according to a Defense Department statement.

Conway is already on the record opposing repeal of the current law, but his comments to Military.com fall far short of Mixon's call for petitioning Congress. Conway said that if the law is changed, the Corps will have to find ways to mitigate the disruption he believes would ensue. Billeting will represent one of the problems, he believes.

"In this case, I would want to reserve the right of a Marine that thinks he or she wouldn't want to [share a room with a homosexual]. And again that's the overwhelming … number of people that say that they wouldn't like to do so." Conway said the Corps billets two-to-a-room -- unique today among the services -- because it believes it's good for unit cohesion. But if a gay Marine sharing a room with a straight one has the opposite effect, the Corps will adopt the single-room standard of the other services.

Elaine Donnelly of the Center for Military Readiness said the question is whether the military, without a ban on gays serving openly, will opt for mixing gays and heterosexual troops in the same facilities or have "separate but equal" facilities.

"That's what [Conway] seems to be advocating here," she said. This is something the working group established by Gates to look at repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell should address up front, Donnelly said.

"I think that, in itself, is why Congress will vote to retain the law and not repeal it," she said.

Larry Korb, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress in Washington, said concerns such as those voiced by Conway have not been borne out by services that have already lifted bans on gays serving openly.

"We went into the British and French experience and looked at separate facilities and separate showers, and they don't have a problem," Korb told Military.com. "They've not changed their policies from before."

Conway said he expects the working group established by Gates to look at repealing DADT will provide the services "with more data than ever before about how our people think and what the impact of the change might be." But after conducting numerous town hall-style meetings around the Corps with Sgt. Maj. of the Marine Corps Carlton Kent, Conway believes most Marines have real concerns about gays serving openly.

He said they routinely ask the Marines three questions: Do they believe repealing Don't Ask will adversely impact good order and discipline? Will repeal have an adverse impact on unit cohesion? And would they be willing to share a room with a Marine who has declared himself or herself a homosexual?

"An overwhelming number of Marines have significant concerns about those issues," Conway said. "If perception is reality, we just think our Corps would not want to see a change."

nastyleg
03-26-2010, 02:06 PM
The thing is they went to countries that are more tolarant of homosexuality to look at how it affected them. Why dont they seem to get the fact that America is America and it is not that tollerant of gays. I would not be shocked if the law was repealed and the percentage of hate crimes within the military went through the roof.

Sixx
03-26-2010, 03:02 PM
The thing is they went to countries that are more tolarant of homosexuality to look at how it affected them. Why dont they seem to get the fact that America is America and it is not that tollerant of gays. I would not be shocked if the law was repealed and the percentage of hate crimes within the military went through the roof.

Yeah I could really forsee that happening...it's bad enough with the fights and violence with accusations.
I'd hate to see what would happen the first few years with the allowing openly serving homosexuals.

MickDonalds
03-26-2010, 04:30 PM
That's the one thing I doubt the Pentagon and all those government officials aren't thinking about:

The BILLION$ it's going to cost to renovate and redo ALL barracks around the world because that's what is going to have to happen, or else you will have morale problems. You MUST have privacy if there are going to be gays serving.

Normal, manly acting gays don't bother me, however, I wouldnt want to shower with a group of them and have them eye-ing me up while I rinse off. I wouldn;t feel comfortable and it would lead to work issues. If there were private quarters, it wouldn't be an issue. It's going to cost an arm and a leg to have to renovate every single Barracks institution around the world. Whew..

Sixx
03-26-2010, 10:41 PM
That's the one thing I doubt the Pentagon and all those government officials aren't thinking about:

The BILLION$ it's going to cost to renovate and redo ALL barracks around the world because that's what is going to have to happen, or else you will have morale problems. You MUST have privacy if there are going to be gays serving.

Normal, manly acting gays don't bother me, however, I wouldnt want to shower with a group of them and have them eye-ing me up while I rinse off. I wouldn;t feel comfortable and it would lead to work issues. If there were private quarters, it wouldn't be an issue. It's going to cost an arm and a leg to have to renovate every single Barracks institution around the world. Whew..

I didn't even think about that. I'm used to seeing the Air Force dorms, which is one person per room...and you share the bathroom with your sweetmate.


Great point...

MickDonalds
03-26-2010, 10:58 PM
I didn't even think about that. I'm used to seeing the Air Force dorms, which is one person per room...and you share the bathroom with your sweetmate.


Great point...

Yep. It's pretty well documented that the USAF and the Navy both usually have better accomidations than do the Army and Marines. I've NEVER had my own room, bathroom or anything near privacy, other than having one roomate in Iraq when I lived in a Container Housing Unit (CHU). Most ARMY installations still use the WWII style barracks, just for training or temporary housing for transitory units and personnel. It's going to cost them BILLION$ to have to section everything off, tear into the plumbing of ancient buildings' foundations and install more showers and toilets.

ipalot111
03-27-2010, 12:48 AM
There are a couple of issues going on here. One obvious one is the issue of showering. If they let an openly gay man shower with me, then they better let me shower with the females. It's no different is it? They might as well just make big open all gender showers. Or, they need to make single shower stalls. The barracks thing is the same. They wouldn't let men and women bunk together, why would they let 2 openly gay dudes bunk together? It is going to cost a shit load of money to renovate everything the army has had for probably 60+ years now. It's ok though. Obama can just pull another trillion dollars right?

Personally i think the policy is fine the way it is. The military has been moving along quite well for a very long time. I do not see a need to suddenly change the policy. Do we have that many gays that want to serve but are afraid to? Will it make that much of a difference to constitute the spending of tax payer dollars to accomodate such a small minority of soldiers? I do not think anything needs to be changed. If gays want to serve, they can, just don't go around hitting on people of the same sex, thats all.

dmaxx3500
03-27-2010, 09:43 AM
could be a way to screw-up the moral of our troops and get people to not inlist ,don't forget this white house haits our military