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nastyleg
11-24-2009, 02:01 PM
Obama: Goal is to finish job in Afghanistan
AP

By ANNE GEARAN and JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writers Anne Gearan And Jennifer Loven, Associated Press Writers – 21 mins ago

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama says his intention is to "finish the job" in Afghanistan but that the Afghan people "ultimately have to provide for their own security."

The president said that he intends to announce his decision shortly on how many additional troops to deploy. Obama did not tip his hand, saying only that it would be after Thanksgiving. But he did say his goal is to dismantle the capabilities of al Qaida and its allies.

Obama commented a day after he held his 10th and final meeting to assess his Afghanistan strategy and settle on how many additional troops to commit to the 8-year-old conflict. The president made his remarks during a brief news conference with visiting Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House braced for a tough sell of President Barack Obama's long-awaited decision on whether to commit tens of thousands of new U.S. forces to the stalemated war in Afghanistan.

Military officials and others expect Obama to settle on a middle-ground option that would deploy an eventual 32,000 to 35,000 U.S. forces to the 8-year-old conflict. That rough figure has stood as the most likely option since before Obama's last large war council meeting earlier this month, when he tasked military planners with rearranging the timing and makeup of some of the deployments.

Obama held the 10th and final meeting of his Afghanistan strategy review since mid-September on Monday night. White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said the president left the war council meeting without announcing a decision to the group or to aides, but that no more meetings are planned.

"After completing a rigorous final meeting, President Obama has the information he wants and needs to make his decision and he will announce that decision within days," Gibbs said not long after the two-hour meeting broke up.

With the war worsening on Obama's watch, U.S. combat deaths climbing and public support dropping as U.S. combat deaths have climbed, the president has said with increasing frequency in recent days that a big piece of the rethinking of options that he ordered had to do with building an exit strategy into the announcement. This required revising the options presented to him to clarify when U.S. troops would turn over responsibility to the Afghan government and under what conditions.

As Gibbs put it to reporters on Monday, It's "not just how we get people there, but what's the strategy for getting them out."

The White House is aiming for an announcement by Obama next week, either Tuesday or possibly Wednesday, after Congress returns from its Thanksgiving break.

Military officials, congressional aides and European diplomats said they expect Obama to deliver a national address laying out the revamped strategy. Obama said in a television interview last week: "At the end of this process, I'm going to be able to present to the American people in very clear terms what exactly is at stake, what we intend to do, how we're going to succeed, how much it's going to cost, how long it's going to take."

Congressional hearings would immediately follow that address, including testimony from the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal. Others likely to take part in hearings would be Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Karl Eikenberry. All four were among the approximately 20 top administration officials and Obama advisers participating in the nighttime talks Monday — one of the biggest groups gathered for these sessions in some time.

Obama must not only sell his plan to the public, but to foreign allies whose additional resources the White House wants in Afghanistan and to lawmakers on Capitol Hill who would be asked the fund the effort.

Gibbs said that the subject of a war tax on the wealthy, proposed by a handful of leading Democrats, has not come up yet in the president's extensive war council meetings. But the idea, though unlikely to pass Congress, is one way for Democrats who are coming to dislike the war in greater numbers to challenge the president to confront the cost of any escalation.

Democratic allies of the president, such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin, have become more outspoken on the war in other forums as well.

The force infusion expected by the military would represent most but not all the troops requested by Obama's war commander, for a retailored war plan that blends elements of McChrystal's counterterror strategy with tactics more closely associated with the CIA's unacknowledged war to hunt down terrorists across the border in Pakistan.

McChrystal presented options ranging from about 10,000 to about 80,000 forces, and told Obama he preferred an addition of about 40,000 atop the record 68,000 in the country now, officials have said.

Obama has already ordered a significant expansion of 21,000 troops since taking office.

The additional troops would be concentrated in the south and east of Afghanistan, the areas where the U.S. already has most of its forces, military officials said. The new troops that already went this year were directed to help relieve Marines stretched to the limit by far-flung postings in Helmand province and that would continue, while the U.S. effort would expand somewhat in Kandahar.

The increase would include at least three Army brigades and a single, larger Marine Corps contingent, officials said.

All officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the decision is not final.

U.S. war planners would be forgoing the option of increasing U.S. fighting power in the north, a once-quiet quadrant where insurgents have grown in strength and number in the past year. But McChrystal's recommendation never called for a quick infusion there.

In the absence of large additions of ground forces, dealing with the north would probably require relying more heavily on air power, two military officials said. Any such additional air strikes would be more successful if, as U.S. officials hope, Pakistan turns up the heat on Taliban militants on their side of the border.

As originally envisioned by McChrystal, the additional U.S. troops would begin flowing in late January or after, on a deployment calendar that would be slower and more complex than that used to build up the Iraq "surge" in 2007. McChrystal's schedule for full deployment has it taking nearly two years, military officials said.

The relatively slow rollout is largely driven by logistics. But it also could give the White House some leverage over Afghan President Hamid Karzai. U.S. officials note that where and how fast troops are deployed are a means to encourage fresh and more serious efforts at cooperation and clean government in Afghanistan.

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Associated Press writer Philip Elliott contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091124/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_us_afghanistan

scoutsout80
11-24-2009, 03:14 PM
Hope is not a fucking plan!!!!!!!!!!

Markoxx
11-24-2009, 03:45 PM
Hope is not a fucking plan!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed bro

WretchedDevice
11-24-2009, 03:48 PM
Iran plays a key role, strategicaly, in what we are to do with troops, imo. The cost would be very high as well as diplomacy and time getting boots on the ground should we have to escalate a strategy to deploy to that god forsaken place. Sit and wait, that seems to be the game we are all playing at this point.


Thx

nastyleg
11-24-2009, 03:53 PM
What the Generals and troops on the ground need is a galvinizing force, a leader who without hesitation will support the troops, who under pressure will make the best informed disicion based on the input and intel his commanders are giving him. He must have a will that would be only comparable to Patton or Bradley. His morale compass must me true.

This is what will lead to a military and popular opinion victory not to holding back once ingaged. Time and time again history has taught this cruel lesson.

WretchedDevice
11-24-2009, 04:38 PM
Well said NL

scoutsout80
11-24-2009, 05:24 PM
What the Generals and troops on the ground need is a galvinizing force, a leader who without hesitation will support the troops, who under pressure will make the best informed disicion based on the input and intel his commanders are giving him. He must have a will that would be only comparable to Patton or Bradley. His morale compass must me true.

This is what will lead to a military and popular opinion victory not to holding back once ingaged. Time and time again history has taught this cruel lesson.

But we have an empty suit with less than 200 days experience as a junior senator, what the fuck was this country thinking??

PS Great comment for a dirty, nastyleg----Patton and Bradly were dirty legs too! Where is Norman Schwarzkopf?

GTFPDQ
11-24-2009, 06:59 PM
Okay Im hijacking this thread. Ill step forward and be World Leader.

Now that Ive outed myself as a narcissistic megalomaniac, Ill now respond to the thread.

President Barack Obama says his intention is to "finish the job" in Afghanistan but that the Afghan people "ultimately have to provide for their own security."

This sounds like the beginning of a get out clause. If Afghanistan cannot look after itself, why should we? Then its into the 1975 Vietnam scenario, where you have a trained army, fighting an unorthodox foe. Thats bad.

Now if we look at isolating Iran. Its done already militarily. Coalition troops on the west, on the east and stronger countries to the south. Iran would be glass, given the lessons learned dealing with N Korea.

Now back to Afghanistan. Day in day out I see pictures of ANA and ANP without modern equipment. Men going to fight alongside Uber equipped coalition troops. When these guys are brought on line and declared ready for duty, there should be some way of letting them feel like they have a chance.

My last point is, fight the fight until its won. Too many times in history has a war finished without a result. Too much blood and too many futures have been squandered to just quit.

nastyleg
11-25-2009, 12:31 AM
Spot on Charlie.