SOF| Multinational Sniper Course: Beyond Cover & Concealment

[Cruelbreed]

GRAFENWOEHR, Germany – An out-of-place rock...an olive drab rucksack not covered...the subdued black muzzle of a Win Mag 300. Just a few things

More... (http://www.shadowspear.com/special-operations-news/multinational-sniper-course.html)

[ghost]

Interesting article. What rifle do you think that was, though? It mentioned a .300 win mag. Based on the picture, it looks like some type of bolt-action rifle on an M700 stock, like the M24 and M40. But those two rifles are chambered for 7.62 NATO, not .300 win mag.

[Cruelbreed]

I cannot see it so well but figured perhaps it was a german rifle.

AWM?

Assuming the man in the picture is the german special forces operator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:G22_ohne_Schalldaempfer.jpg

[Cruelbreed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_International_AWM

[ghost]

Yeah, I've heard about them doing that. But, I actually just found out, that the Army's bolt gun, the M24, is capable of firing 7.62, .300 win mag, and .338(because of it's long action). Shit, the Marine Corps should just start using that one. It's readily available too.

[Cruelbreed]

Yeah, I've heard about them doing that. But, I actually just found out, that the Army's bolt gun, the M24, is capable of firing 7.62, .300 win mag, and .338(because of it's long action). Shit, the Marine Corps should just start using that one. It's readily available too.'

Aha, there you go. They probably do, no sense in not using weapons across the board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USMC_Sniper_M24.jpg


New Marine Corps Sniper and Marksman Weapons

In the Marine Corps a large number of marines were set up to be designated marksmen. These personnel were not traditional ‘snipers’ who hide and stalk their targets, but were rather regular riflemen who protected their unit or base from an over watch position. These men needed a precision rifle and they needed it fast. In 2002 the solution was the DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle). They took a stock 1960s' vintage M-14 rifle out of storage and rebuilt it to make it more accurate and more modern. All DMRs were built at the USMC Precision Weapons Shop at Quantico, Virginia. The Marine weapons were given a 22-inch match barrel, a McMillan fiberglass stock replaced the old wooden one and also added a cheek rest and to allow proper alignment with optics and a pistol grip. Optics used included the traditional Unertl 10xpower scope which has been used by the Marines for some 25 years used on the their sniper’s rifle as well as a number of commercial off the shelf scope designs by Leupold and others. A Harris bipod rounded out the weapon. With 40+ year old rifles and scopes nearly as old the Corps ran into reliability and supportability problems and soon began to look for a replacement.
The marine M-14 DMRs used by designated marksmen as well as the M-40’s of the marine scout sniper teams are being replaced by the $4000 M39, a custom built-from scratch M-14 that weighs in at some 14 pounds without optics. The M-39 is matched with the $3000 Schmidt & Bender variable 3-12x50mm PM II/LP USMC M8541 Scout Sniper Day Scope. All up with bipod, optics, mounts and loaded magazine the M39 weapons system comes in at nearly 20 pounds and close to $10,000. While some scout sniper teams will be using the M-39 immediately, it is unforeseen that they will replace all of the Marine’s M-40s. Squad level designated marksmen (http://modern-war.suite101.com/article.cfm/usmc_marine_squad_advanced_marksman)use the 5.56mm Squad Advanced Marksman Rifle (SAM-R), currently designated the Mk12.
The Corps, long a believer in bolt action sniper weapons is unlikely to cast them totally by the wayside. In the Korean conflict, when most Army snipers were using the semi-auto M-1 as a sniper weapon, the most popular Marine weapon was the WWI vintage bolt action 1903 Springfield and remained as such until the early days of

Read more: http://modern-war.suite101.com/article.cfm/new_sniper_rifles_for_the_us_army_and_marines#ixzz 0NzYrANOJ


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M39_Enhanced_Marksman_Rifle


This is confusing, it seems both army and marines are trying to develop new rifles. Also in that picture above there's an M24 supposedly being used by a Marine. Something tells me if the marines or the army need to share weaponry in certain units or areas they will do so.

[ghost]

Yeah. Interesting post. That "M-39" Designated marksman rifle just looks like the Mk14 that the Army and Navy SEALs use. Just a different designation.

[acf6]

I believe the US Army Marksmanship Unit uses the .300 mag for the 1000yd competition, I could be wrong. I have heard they are looking at the .338 because of its extra power and its able to knock out some vehicles. I Know the UK snipers use the .338. I like the new SASS system the Army introduced. Based on the m-16 but shoots 7.62x51 and is accurate out to 800 meters. Its mainly used in urban areas where they have multiple targets to engage at shorter distances.