Supreme Court upholds Affordable Health Care Act

[gazzthompson]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/supreme-court-upholds-obama-laws-requirement-that-most-americans-have-health-insurance/2012/06/28/gJQAvUp38V_story.html

[Clodius]

...queue the sound of crickets...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

[Clodius]

I have a feeling Monday, January 21, 2013 we'll be hearing lots of crickets too!

[jamieooh]

barry is nothing but a dirty cock sucker. Congress better repeal this shit.

[eaglethebeagle]

obama himself lied and said this was not a tax... IT IS A FUCKING TAX!!!!


The largest tax increase in the history of mankind.

Let me ask everyone and anyone one simple question and if this gets answered then hopefully some idiots here will see the light they seem to never see.


If the United States of America currently some 15 16 trillion in debt and unable to pay the deficit down while borrowing from china some 40 cents on the dollar how the fuck can we increase our governmental cost with this gigantic fucking government expansion?





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0p9Txm55g8

[serpa6]

obama himself lied and said this was not a tax... IT IS A FUCKING TAX!!!!


The largest tax increase in the history of mankind.

Let me ask everyone and anyone one simple question and if this gets answered then hopefully some idiots here will see the light they seem to never see.


If the United States of America currently some 15 16 trillion in debt and unable to pay the deficit down while borrowing from china some 40 cents on the dollar how the fuck can we increase our governmental cost with this gigantic fucking government expansion?

NO matter the answer anyone gives eagle, you will not be satisfied!!! Romney for president is that your answer look at what he did with mass Same thing Obimba did with this Fuck off

[eaglethebeagle]

NO matter the answer anyone gives eagle, you will not be satisfied!!! Romney for president is that your answer look at what he did with mass Same thing Obimba did with this Fuck off


Look I have never said I am a republican home boy. I have said all politicians are full of shit. The point I have always stated is I go republican because there is no other option. I would never support the democrats and their socialism. The difference with romney in Massachusetts and as president is he has the checks and balances of our system.

Yes that system looks like it just failed us. I did just get this article sent to me though.



Why Chief Justice Roberts Made the Right Long-Term Decision With ObamaCare
BERT ATKINSON JR. JUNE 28, 2012 3:59 PM


This article, written by I.M. Citizen, gives a much different perspective of Justice Robert’s decision. Comment below and let us know what you think. Also check out I.M. Citizen’s blog – quite interesting.

I.M. Citizen:

Before you look to do harm to Chief Justice Roberts or his family, it’s important that you think carefully about the meaning – the true nature — of his ruling on Obama-care. The Left will shout that they won, that Obama-care was upheld and all the rest. Let them.



It will be a short-lived celebration.

Here’s what really occurred — payback. Yes, payback for Obama’s numerous, ill-advised and childish insults directed toward SCOTUS.

Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That’s how the Democrats got Obama-care going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can’t compel American citizens to purchase anything. Ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.

Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn’t have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax. This is also critical. Recall back during the initial Obama-care battles, the Democrats called it a penalty, Republicans called it a tax. Democrats consistently soft sold it as a penalty. It went to vote as a penalty. Obama declared endlessly, that it was not a tax, it was a penalty. But when the Democrats argued in front of the Supreme Court, they said ‘hey, a penalty or a tax, either way’. So, Roberts gave them a tax. It is now the official law of the land — beyond word-play and silly shenanigans. Obama-care is funded by tax dollars. Democrats now must defend a tax increase to justify the Obama-care law.

Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — ‘comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.’ Roberts ruled that is a no-no. If a state takes the money, fine, the Feds can tell the state how to run a program, but if the state refuses money, the federal government can’t penalize the state by yanking other funding. Therefore, a state can decline to participate in Obama-care without penalty. This is obviously a serious problem. Are we going to have 10, 12, 25 states not participating in “national” health-care? Suddenly, it’s not national, is it?

Ultimately, Roberts supported states rights by limiting the federal government’s coercive abilities. He ruled that the government can not force the people to purchase products or services under the commerce clause and he forced liberals to have to come clean and admit that Obama-care is funded by tax increases.

Although he didn’t guarantee Romney a win, he certainly did more than his part and should be applauded.

And he did this without creating a civil war or having bricks thrown threw his windshield. Oh, and he’ll be home in time for dinner.

Brilliant.

[MadeInRu]

Hehehehehe So much drama over nothing :D

[nastyleg]

Even with the passage of this tax, there is still time for it to get repealed. Romney has no room to talk because key components of Odumbacare were taken from Romneycare in Massachusetts. As an Independent I hate all things big dumberment. Hopefully this tax gets repealed. If not I wanna sue the government of over-taxation. I doubt it will get anywhere but it can't hurt to try.

[jamieooh]

Hehehehehe So much drama over nothing :D

Funny mir.
If it was nothing why did it have to go all the way to the supreme court? If it was nothing why did they pass it in the middle of night?
If it was nothing why did they tell us the only way to find out what is in it was to pass it?
nothing? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/27/obamacare-polls-affordable-care-act-health-care-reform_n_1380986.html
nothing? http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

[gazzthompson]

Congratulations Republicans: The Individual Mandate that you created and supported 20 years (before Obama adopted it) has survived the Supreme Court

[eaglethebeagle]

Hehehehehe So much drama over nothing :D

You say that you believe socialized health care is ok. You think that socialism is not a bad government. Yet are we not learning what socialism really is?

Is Greece a great example of socialism? bankrupt
Is Spain a great example of socialism? going bankrupt
Is France a great example of socialism? taxing their rich at 75%

Is socialism in any country that uses it leading the world out of this global recession?


The world has economically always relied on America and American money to fuel the economies around the world.

The buying power of the American consumer was always mentioned as important for the world economy.

Here is what has happened.

American business and our government leadership has failed to understand that without the middle class your economy will not work.

When Americans are out of work and those working are concerned that they could be out of work too they save what they make or havent got money to spend.

The business market shrinks from less wealth and middle class capital.

Here is how it happened.

The American business sent and send our American jobs to china, mexico, Egypt, India, Vietnam, Indonesia, Singapore, Korea, but mostly to china. (find something not made in china)


So with literally millions of American jobs sent out of America there are now millions of Americans out of work permanently. They want someone to solve this economic problem and with some answer.

There has been no answer from obama or romney how to get jobs back in America. They dont want to say they need to bring back the jobs that have gone to china. They are afraid to say that.

That is the only way to fix the problem.

Bring back American manufacturing jobs that used to be what middle class workers did in America. The American CEO wont do it because he wants to keep his 30 million annual bonus he gets for cutting out those American workers and their minimum wage, full time benefits, cost they eliminated.

Any country that sends jobs to china is sending them(china) the profits of that work so then it goes not to chinese workers but to the chinese communist government. They have no labor laws they dont care about thier workers they can commit suicide and its ok because they have a billion more people to replace that suicide jumper.

Our business and government is aiding our enemy in sending them our work. China is allies with no country. They are growing their military so that they can be the world dominate military. Then instead of America supporting freedom around the world it will be china supporting countries like syria and iran and totalitarian governments.

That is just my opinion.

[veritas44]

This whole thing is bull shit...since this was passed my insurance premiums have gone up by a third. I just love to pay for other peoples health care (what a bunch of crap). Premiums go up for shit insurance.
Before the bill was passed I had great insurance. After...they changed carriers with bullshit coverage and increased the cost.
What till 2014 tax return. If you don't have insurance they penalize you on your tax return.
This country is going to go to shit in a hand basket.

Before you know it we will be like Canada and England...Gazz would love that.
Fuck it I'm buying an island and get the fuck out of here before its to late.

[jamieooh]

Doesn't England give enough money to their hospital?
Until a Government crack down even NHS hospitals were wholesaling drugs for profit. The Royal Surrey Hospital at Guilford made £300,000 on sales of £4 million in one year.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9106720/Drug-shortage-as-phramacists-sell-medication-abroad.html

[jamieooh]

maybe you should raise more taxes. whatever your being taxed isn't enough.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9079213/Breast-cancer-sufferers-denied-two-drugs-on-NHS.html

[jamieooh]

Why are companies getting waivers to opt out of barrycare for 2.5 years.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/06/labor-unions-primary-recipients-of-obamacare-waivers/

[gazzthompson]

NHS is one of the most loved national institutions here, I've used it a lot and love it. Obamacare is nothing like socialized healthcare (Medicare , VA). How, forcing people to buy from free market companies is in anyway socialism... I have no idea.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10375877

Not perfect, but we love it and fight tooth and nail to reduce privatization (that our current government seems to want)

[jamieooh]

read this again and again and again and again ------------>, forcing people to buy from free market companies is in anyway socialism


http://youtu.be/q7Nlq80DVpo

[gazzthompson]

Anybody here not have insurance, or go a long spell without insurance? How does this effect you?

[MadeInRu]

@ Beagle

Wtf are you talking about? None of those countries have a socialist government. They have more social programs in their agenda but no socialist government. Sweden, Netherlands, Germany, Finland.... Those countries have way more influence from socialist government, and they are rocking.

Bring back manufacturing from China? Fuck no! I don't wanna pay for may laptop 3 times the price.

But then again, you seems to know how to solve all world problems...

And last but not the least, WTF any of it has to do with health care reform?

Point me a single fucking socialist country in Europe lol

You have 0 and i mean totally 0 understanding of how social country works.

Any country has an influence of socialism to a certain degree, but that's as far as it goes.

[gazzthompson]

Certain Americans talking about "socialism" is, and always will be hilarious. European countries have a mixed economy, to varying degrees, as does the US. If you declare a European state socialist for its nationalized healthcare , you can equally declare it a capitalist state for its privatized railway, or utilities or whatever that specific country has. Ie, claiming either is fucking stupid.

Socialism has, does, and continues to work. Despite what fox news of bill oreliey say.

[MadeInRu]

read this again and again and again and again ------------>, forcing people to buy from free market companies is in anyway socialism


http://youtu.be/q7Nlq80DVpo

Oh, then fucking mother nature is also a socialist bitch... She does forces us to buy food...

Like a bunch of 6 years olds... Get over it, 21 century is outside, life is not always peaches and ice cream... Learn to leave with it...

Shit is happening all over the world, US is no holly exception on the matter....

Stop acting like a cry babies...

Jesus....

[Pittsburgh]

This whole thing is bull shit...since this was passed my insurance premiums have gone up by a third. I just love to pay for other peoples health care (what a bunch of crap). Premiums go up for shit insurance.
Before the bill was passed I had great insurance. After...they changed carriers with bullshit coverage and increased the cost.
What till 2014 tax return. If you don't have insurance they penalize you on your tax return.
This country is going to go to shit in a hand basket.

Before you know it we will be like Canada and England...Gazz would love that.
Fuck it I'm buying an island and get the fuck out of here before its to late.

It also does wonders for an already pathetic job market. With more mandates, new taxes and administrative burdens, and higher health care costs, I know for a fact I won't be hiring new employees any time in the near future and layoffs are almost certain.

Welcome to Barry's entitlement society. I'll go in half on that island with you.

[jamieooh]

Oh, then fucking mother nature is also a socialist bitch... She does forces us to buy food...

Like a bunch of 6 years olds... Get over it, 21 century is outside, life is not always peaches and ice cream... Learn to leave with it...

Shit is happening all over the world, US is no holly exception on the matter....

Stop acting like a cry babies...

Jesus....

mir, no where in that post you quoted did I say socialism. Reread it when you sober up!

[veritas44]

They talk about this like its gonna affect people who make over $250,000 a year and yeas it does put a whallop on them. But if your a regular Joe and you itemize your tax return... right now( 2012) tax return you could take medical expenses above 7.5% of your AGI off...in 2013 that requirement goes up to 10% of your AGI.
To me that's means I will pay several thousand more dollars in taxes instead of actually getting money back. This bill is going to dick everyone sooner or later.


gazz...
To answer your question in a way. I know several young healthy people who elected to not get health insurance while they were young. They elected to take THEIR money( hundreds of dollars a month) and save that money or invest it while they are still young and healthy...they will no longer have that option unless they want to pay a % of their AGI on their tax return which could be more than what health insurance would cost.

[gazzthompson]

http://youtu.be/TTByvLtYIYA

Mitt Romney explaining obamacare...... back in Jan. 2006

[jamieooh]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/flashback-obama-in-2008-promised-health-care-should-never-be-purchased-with-tax-increases-on-middle-class-families-video/

[jamieooh]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9365881/Hospital-closures-inevitable-and-NHS-operation-rationing-will-continue-warns-think-tank.html

[jamieooh]

Gazz
I don't have a problem with everyone having health insurance.
I do have a huge problem with this ruling.
The Supreme Court just told Congress they can force me to buy anything they want as long as there is a tax or penalty for not complying .
I only like Mr. magic underwear slightly more than barry.

[gazzthompson]

I just find it quite ironic, that Romney seems to have supported almost the exact same thing... yet here we are, he will no doubt claim his hate for it. Yet here he is, supporting it. And yes, the NHS is not perfect but its one of the most efficiently run health care systems in the world and a national treasure which consistently measures better than the US system in most all measurable aspects, Only bested by a few other European countries. Our current government is doing a damn good job at attempting to fuck it up, but its still brilliant. Our right wing party is cutting and cutting, shows "failures" and what do you know, what's the saviour ? privatization! its there goal, and we the people fight it to ever prevent getting near the US system... We would be rioting in the streets again before UK has a US style Healthcare.

[Clodius]

A nice article from the "Commie News Network", read, enjoy, but take note when the start to talk about Japan.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/02/us/american-exceptionalism-other-countries-lessons/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

[jamieooh]

A nice article from the "Commie News Network", read, enjoy, but take note when the start to talk about Japan.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/02/us/american-exceptionalism-other-countries-lessons/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
It's the Clinton news network. lol
Very good article . I would point to the last topic as being the biggest problems to health care and and education. Once again I'm neither a Democrat or a Republican. I think too many think being in public office is a career.
The Obamacare law will need to be re-written . The Supreme Court just told Congress that they can force the American people to buy anything they want as long as there is a tax or penalty for not doing it.