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eaglethebeagle

03-16-2012, 10:17 PM

This is an example of why I hate liberals and democrats with such passion.

This story really just one of many reasons to hate them.

An American flag with President Obama's image in place of the stars flew over a Florida county's Democrat headquarters long enough to enrage local veterans who called the altered banner "a disgrace."
Lake County Democratic Party officials took down the flag, which flew just below a standard Old Glory on the flagpole outside headquarters in Tavares following complaints by local veterans. But merely taking it down wasn't enough for several local veterans, who said they fought for the flag Betsy Ross made famous, not one with a politician on it.

"It's absolutely disrespectful," Jim Bradford, a 71-year-old veteran who participated in the Bay of Pigs Invasion told FoxNews.com. "It's totally ridiculous. To put somebody's picture there, to me, it's a disgrace to do that."

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"It's absolutely disrespectful," Jim Bradford, a 71-year-old veteran who participated in the Bay of Pigs Invasion told FoxNews.com. "It's totally ridiculous. To put somebody's picture there, to me, it's a disgrace to do that."
Bradford, an organizer with the Veterans Memorial at Fountain Park in Leesburg, Fla., snapped photos of the flag and distributed them to fellow veterans and friends. By late afternoon, he and several other veterans delivered a copy of the federal flag code to Nancy Hurlbert, chairwoman of the Lake County Democratic Party.
"We read that to her, but she would not accept that," Bradford said. "The discussion finally got a little bit heated."
The flag, which had been flying for several months without complaint and is available online for $12.95, was later removed by Hurlbert.
Bradford said Hurlbert apologized for the incident, but did not offer any promises that it wouldn't fly again.
"What really upsets me is that the flag had apparently been flying for months and no one had done anything about it," Bradford said. "I've got no hard feelings toward [Hurlbert], but people will be driving by there to make sure it doesn't go up again."
Hurlbert said Tuesday's incident was the first time anyone had complained about the flag, which she received as a gift two months ago.
"It leads me to believe that it's not about the flag," she told FoxNews.com. "Certain elements cannot accept Barack Obama as president."
Hurlbert said she intends to contact an attorney regarding the matter and remained non-committal as to whether she'll fly the flag again.
"I won't say no and I won't say yes," she said. "We want to find out what our legal rights are."
Jenn Meale, communications director for Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, referred FoxNews.com to state laws that pertain to the use of flags on public lands and property when asked for clarification as to whether Hurlbert could face any penalties.
Statute 256.05, which covers improper use of state or United States flag, or other symbol of authority, reads: "No person shall, in any manner, for exhibition or display:
"(1) Place or cause to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement of any nature upon any flag, standard, color, ensign or shield of the United States or of this state, or authorized by any law of the United States or this state; or
"(2) Expose to public view any such flag, standard, color, ensign or shield upon which shall have been printed, painted or otherwise produced, or to which shall have been attached, appended, affixed or annexed any such word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement."
Meanwhile, Jay Agg, communications director for AMVETS, told FoxNews.com that the American flag should never be altered.
"While we are pleased the flag in question has since been removed from public display, the reported fact that it had flown for months without protest is a clear indication that we have much work to do in educating the public of the importance of protecting our flag," Agg wrote in an email. "This issue is especially important to AMVETS' members, the men and women who have proudly worn our nation's uniform and served under her flag."
The final insult to veterans? The flag is made in China.

SgtJim

03-16-2012, 10:22 PM

i found this today too, with links of course:

12332

http://www.strangepolitics.com/content/item/181798.html

eaglethebeagle

03-16-2012, 10:31 PM

The internet was buzzing this week with video of First Lady Michelle Obama apparently showing extreme disrespect to the American flag at a ceremony in honor of the victims of the September 11, 2001 terror attacks. As police and firefighters fold the flag to the sound of marching bagpipers, a skeptical looking Mrs. Obama leans to her husband and appears to say, “all this just for a flag.” She then purses her lips and shakes her head slightly as Mr. Obama nods.

Just for a flag? If that is what she said it is regrettable. Even with all her years being around those who hold high public office Mrs. Obama does not seem to understand the purpose and importance of ceremonies. They reaffirm the bonds of loyalty and fellowship that cement our national unity. Yes, at one level a flag is just a colorful piece of cloth. But it symbolizes much more. It is the emblem of our land and all its ideals. It has been present at every major event of any importance to the country, battles, celebrations, meetings, and the lunar landings. It is a symbol of unity that transcends party, faction and time. It is something uniquely and explicitly American. Men and women have fought and died for it. Our enemies hate us for it and burn it in the streets. All that should mean something.

Perhaps Mrs. Obama thinks that all the pomp and circumstance she experiences in her daily life has something to do with her, rather than the unofficial office she holds. If so she should disabuse herself of that notion quickly. The official gestures of respect shown to her are the same shown to any First Lady, and if she wasn’t married to the president she would be just another citizen. Ruffles and flourishes are not hers by right, but by coincidence of marriage. Yet this is the same woman who said she had never in her adult life been really proud of America before her husband ran for president, so it is no wonder she might dismiss a flag ceremony as just so much nonsense.

All this just for a flag? Has anyone said, “All this just for Michelle Obama?”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2011/sep/13/michelle-obama-all-just-flag/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJgWMI0hch8

eaglethebeagle

03-16-2012, 10:34 PM

First time in her adult life she is proud of her country????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=2Fl4v_QDR6E

She hates America before her husband was running for president?

eaglethebeagle

03-16-2012, 10:37 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJihJBePcs

How do you say this and mean it as America is barrys country just kenya is his home country??!?!?

jamieooh

03-16-2012, 10:39 PM

thanks eagle
I somehow missed the flag video.

eaglethebeagle

03-16-2012, 10:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgSKHb1fgwM&feature=related

eaglethebeagle

03-16-2012, 10:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgbCtHV2cA8&feature=related

brightgoo

03-16-2012, 10:58 PM

WoW. and thanks for post and replies. they really dont know what big deal is (shrugging shoulders)

eaglethebeagle

03-16-2012, 11:20 PM

thanks eagle
I somehow missed the flag video.

It was from a few months back September 13, 2011 at a 9/11 memorial event. She actually was disrespectful during a memorial for 9/11....that is fucking putrid.

The article from the Washington times is from the 13th but her video was from the 9/11 event.

Clodius

03-17-2012, 12:30 AM

Pffttt...

Sixx

03-17-2012, 01:36 AM

That Obama flag is funny as hell

eaglethebeagle

03-17-2012, 02:16 AM

For my Russian friends

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlcFn8Ua4Zs&feature=related

wormhole

03-17-2012, 06:05 PM

Vote conservative Republican and elect a born-again Christian religious fanatic who starts wars because he thinks Jesus wants democracy in Muslim countries!

gazzthompson

03-17-2012, 07:53 PM

I don't know if I should laugh at this thread, or cry at what humanity/politics has become/is

Clodius

03-17-2012, 09:08 PM

I don't know if I should laugh at this thread, or cry at what humanity/politics has become/is
Why not really laugh and ask the main contributors to this thread if they think Intelligent Design is real?

ErisKillton

03-17-2012, 10:42 PM

I don't know if I should laugh at this thread, or cry at what humanity/politics has become/is

Just laugh Gazz. It feels a lot better than being paranoid and angry all the time :D

gazzthompson

03-18-2012, 07:19 AM

Why not really laugh and ask the main contributors to this thread if they think Intelligent Design is real?

hahahah

Just laugh Gazz. It feels a lot better than being paranoid and angry all the time :D

Oh trust me, theres lots of laughing.

There is just so much wrong with this post... not as in incorrect information just self destructive awful mentality. This "With me or against me" attitude, hating people of other political spectrum's of your own country is just one of the most awful and destructive political mentality's Ive ever seen , ive seen it creeping in British politics as well... i REALLY hope it doesn't or my country is fucked. But, as debate is impossible on this website i'm just going to go shoot my new Remington 870. DERP

Clodius

03-18-2012, 09:41 AM

Is debate possible with the inanimate..?

Sixx

03-18-2012, 12:43 PM

Why not really laugh and ask the main contributors to this thread if they think Intelligent Design is real?

I think that's a subject we have not discussed yet......it outta be fun. We'd need a lot of popcorn and baby wipes.
Intelligent Design is not that hard to believe.

@
Eagle, I'm not a fan of Obama......but God Damn.
It's like you are getting paid by "someone" to post ant-Obama shit on Apache Clips.

Posting stuff like that won't make an impact on anything. There are no campaigns going on in this website....
It's getting annoying.

Then you want to attack us Active duty & Vets when we do not agree with your "policies and views" while you have NO clue on how it's like serving your country with a different set of rules. We are not afforded the same cushy rights and laws that apply to YOU.

I'm not asking you to change who you are or your beliefs and all that....
But maybe you should ease up a bit.

You really pissed quite a few of us off with that.

@ Gazz
Politics are Politics dude, the same exact shit you are seeing in regards of politics have been going on well before we were born.
The only difference is that technology has changed the way it's disseminated. Politics and politicians are the same everywhere in this world and we are the dumb asses that allow it to happen.

Clodius

03-18-2012, 03:37 PM

...Intelligent Design is not that hard to believe.

Scopes Trial round two?

Clodius

03-18-2012, 03:37 PM

...Intelligent Design is not that hard to believe.

Scopes Trial round two?

gazzthompson

03-18-2012, 03:47 PM

@ Gazz
Politics are Politics dude, the same exact shit you are seeing in regards of politics have been going on well before we were born.
The only difference is that technology has changed the way it's disseminated. Politics and politicians are the same everywhere in this world and we are the dumb asses that allow it to happen.

Yeah i guess so... I Just, this division, this hatred of the "Other" side ... i just dont get it, and it seems like the most destructive mentality ive ever seen. Is it a "new" thing? or always been like this?

eaglethebeagle

03-18-2012, 03:48 PM

Vote conservative Republican and elect a born-again Christian religious fanatic who starts wars because he thinks Jesus wants democracy in Muslim countries!

They do want democracy that is why 8000 syrians have been butchered....good try genius.

MadeInRu

03-18-2012, 03:51 PM

Yeah i guess so... I Just, this division, this hatred of the "Other" side ... i just dont get it, and it seems like the most destructive mentality ive ever seen. Is it a "new" thing? or always been like this?

It's just easy to put all faults at 1 person, makes life easier. Always bad omen in the skies. I'm telling you, Obama brought a planet for himself for 15 trillion dollars, because before he came to power there were no problems with US or world economy.

MadeInRu

03-18-2012, 03:53 PM

They do want democracy that is why 8000 syrians have been butchered....good try genius.

Aren't few days ago there was so much understanding for one person who butchered 16?

I love the contrast in thinking.

brightgoo

03-18-2012, 05:47 PM

There was absolutely no understanding from me my Russian friend.

wormhole

03-18-2012, 05:51 PM

Vote Republican for Rick Santorum who thinks gay people are possessed by demons and need an exorcism. Who will ban all porn on the internet, ban all abortions, and require teaching creationism and prayer to Lord Jesus in public schools! Or you can vote for Mitt Romney who wears magic underwear and believes Jesus visited America and other crazy things written by a mediocre conman named Smith. Absolutely pathetic!!

brightgoo

03-18-2012, 07:16 PM

I didnt see any of those stump speeches, I'll start off by googleing Rick S. and gay demons; and what was it (?) oh yea Jesus wearing magic underwear/Mitt R.
I'll get right on that.
B/c the emotionless cadavre exquis we have in office presently would be SoOoOoOoOoOo much better. LoL where have you been, in a coma! HaHa. Thats good stuff dude

eaglethebeagle

03-18-2012, 08:00 PM

Aren't few days ago there was so much understanding for one person who butchered 16?

I love the contrast in thinking.

What are you saying? That one man either losing it and going bezerk is equal to another who for over a year has ordered his military to kll innocent children and women to the tune of 8000 and counting?

I find the arabs as many call them hillarious...muslims or islamic? Whatever it is funny that one man goes nuts and kills 16 and it is world propaganda against America while assad is in year two of killing neary 10,000 women and children yet no muslims are upset about it?!?!?

Please someone help me get the answer from these intelligent men who know so much?

eaglethebeagle

03-18-2012, 08:13 PM

To my democratic friends lets talk freedoms rather than spew your hatred about what republicans believe.

First off this country has had God involved in everything and yet you as a democrat hasn't had your freedoms trampled on. You can believe in God or not you dont get your head sliced off if you dont.

Your right to own a gun isnt in danger with a Republican unlike the democrat anti gunners.

You are not being told to go buy those silly electric cars that dont work by a republican.

Do you want more taxes? Because obama is and will continue to expand government and of course that takes more taxes. He hasn't had more taxes to pay for his government so that is why the national debt has increased nearly double since he has been elected.

Gas prices are going up and likely to 5 dollars a gallon because obama wants that.

That is your money for whatever makes you happy that he is now pulling from you.

So tell my democrats are better?

brightgoo

03-18-2012, 08:31 PM

I will try and help Eagle, ahhem, Liberalism in its self is totalitarianism. Do as we say and never question what we do. Period. The main thing about why we are not helping, when we need to help out some say now more than ever (10,000 + murders) is just inconvenience timing. Its 2012 election year. Where a Republican would not even think in this manner, it is VERY normal for Liberal mindset.
2nd - Party first Eagle, where Repub just use party as a tool, the Libs wear it as primary skin. For them, Party is above God, faith, family, country, community, Etc. Etc. Etc. As foriegn as this might sound to you or I, it is second nature to said Liberal. So you anwsered own question about 5$ gas, Obama wants it. Thats ... All ... The ... Liberal ... Needs ... To ... Hear. On every single aspect and every single subject. Period.

I hope I could help :)

serpa6

03-18-2012, 08:52 PM

Boy I cant wait till the election is over It will be the greatest day ever Well for this website

brightgoo

03-18-2012, 09:02 PM

sorry serpa (looking down ashamedly) : )

wormhole

03-18-2012, 09:33 PM

Republican Bible belt morons buy into this - The whole idea that God’s ultimate aim for mankind is that they pick the correct unfounded, dubious and unsupported ancient claim so he can eternally reward or roast them - who could easily provide undeniable and irrefutable evidence of his existence and of what religion is true, but instead keeps himself hidden and insures there is plenty of reasonable doubt, then makes the punishment for this disbelief, obscenely excessive and cruel and this makes perfect sense to these inbred white-trash sub-humans?.

Clodius

03-18-2012, 09:36 PM

Boy I cant wait till the election is over It will be the greatest day ever Well for this website
It certainly will. With the piss poor, fringe and lunatic politicians the Reps are fielding this season we'll have 4 more years of disguised coon hating to contend with from some quarters...And boy will I gloat!

brightgoo

03-18-2012, 10:22 PM

"disguised coon hating" Just so Im clear, you wouldnt care if he was making poor decisions for the Country, just so long as them "coon haters" are irratated and bothered. OK. Got it. Sounds real reasonible and "animate" (smirk)

And wormhole, go bounce a ball off the wall and let the adults talk. I think you have added a 1 to the front of your score. Behave yourself son.

btw : Whats faith with knowing EVERYTHING, and God wants man to have a good heart. I know that is soooooo abnormal and stupid in your nihilistic world, but not for me. I know its soooooooooo stupid to have values and standards to live by.

serpa6

03-18-2012, 11:58 PM

Its ok Goo I just can not wait to see the next one on the chopping block If its obama Republican or liberal <<<< I hope not !!!Everytime elections come up Its hate this Hate that has not did this has not done that it is so tiring its unreal Everyone one is a trader commie I am 52 years old and have gone through alot of politics that is why I do not talk about it my family father Uncles where all into it big time god bless there souls and now my cousins and are really into it and one time they tried talking to me about it and the wars we are fighting and i shut them up quick now they dont talk about it no more That is why I can not wait till the elections are over but just think 1 year maybe not even that the shit will hit the fan with whoever is elected its like a revolving door it just gets sickening I belive im my country and the people that call this there Home but goes to show You can never satisfy everyone

eaglethebeagle

03-19-2012, 12:58 AM

I loved Reagan even after becoming an adult and reading more about him and learning more about him. I can say that George senior was not so good. That led to him being a one term pres. I honestly disliked Clinton for bringing such indignity to the White House. He certainly didnt handle his ....um "affairs"(sorry I had to do it) with the same class Kennedy did. Bush jr. what could he do? He was pushed into the war on terror that Clinton allowed to happen. While Clinton was getting his blowjobs Al Qaeda was blowing up American targets he just kept on getting blowjobs while more Americans were being killed. Al qaeda grew more powerful and more bold while Clinton kept getting blowjobs.

So yes I hate democrats. I am keeping this conversation here on the forums not on the front page so not forcing everyone to see it or read it. I have also stated I am not so much a blind supported of the republican party either. They have screwed things up too. It is now a lesser of two evils for the most part.

gazzthompson

03-19-2012, 05:10 AM

eaglethebeagle

03-19-2012, 08:17 AM

Why would any president want higher gas prices? Even if you believe Obama is a secret Muslim alien time traveling space monster hell bent on destroying America, rising gas prices is a suicide mission. Primary objective is to get reelected. Plus, fox news under bush (iirc) claimed the president has little control over gas prices.. of course, Obama is different I guess.

gazz why would he want higher gas prices? Yet his energy policy is anti domestic oil because he thinks "oil is the energy of the past". It is yet to be seen if high oil/gas will lose him the election. The fact is obama has halted oil drilling on lands that had been open under Bush. He has vetoed the Canadian pipeline and he likes to tell us dumb Americans that if we use less gas then the price of oil will drop because of less demand. Well that isnt happening as oil demand is at a 15 year low. He just doesn't know from one day to the next what he is doing or saying yet his faithful continue to follow.

eaglethebeagle

03-19-2012, 08:22 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpQOCvthw-o

Again God has been integrated into our nation from the beginning. Look at your money and read the pledge of allegiance so on and so on.

Clodius

03-19-2012, 10:04 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nIRJVmZ4K8&feature=g-vrec&context=G210e0fbRVAAAAAAAABA

It gets really interesting after 2:30

brightgoo

03-19-2012, 01:14 PM

KGCNC

03-19-2012, 01:43 PM

First, Im not voting for Obummer. Second,Im a Christian and not ashamed to say it. You non-believers can have your opinion,like me. Third, the Syrians started their mess, we should avoid it.

brightgoo

03-19-2012, 01:51 PM

Exactly kgcnc, on all your points. and on syria, where is it going to end, whats the next country?

wormhole

03-19-2012, 01:56 PM

I love listening to long winded, pompous white English men. Splendid. (sofly clapping) I get it bro. To tell you the truth Clodius, at one time I might have thought only this or that denomination would enter the Kingdom of God, but as I have lost loved ones close to me that didnt neccessarily believe what I believed, is when I started thinking differently. I believe what I believe ( which is Jesus WAS Gods son, He did die on cross for our fallen world, and He did get up out of his tomb, alive). When we all go in front of God I belive he will look at our hearts. throwing hands up I dont know :)

I do know I genesis it talks about the mountains of the sea, and we didnt see them until the 1950's when scuba gear advanced.

You have to be an absolute fool to believe that you are going to some theme park in the sky forever because you grovel to some Jewish myth. There is NOT a shred of evidence that Jesus ever existed outside the fairy tale book “The Bible”. Can you Christian idiots read - read some good books; The God Delusion or God is Not Great or The End of Faith or go to Wiki and read about the - Jesus Myth Theory - know the truth of your fairy tale, you’re living a life of delusion from being brain-washed as children. GROW UP - there is no Santa Claus for grown-ups
You Christians are little cowering mice afraid to die so you believe in stupid nonsense to relieve your Cognitive Dissonance - you might have to look that up because I doubt any of you have an education.

Mountains of the sea!!!- TOO FUNNY

gazzthompson

03-19-2012, 02:05 PM

Hitchens was an intellectual power house, i miss him. Ive never seen that video Clodius, thanks.

MadeInRu

03-19-2012, 02:10 PM

You have to be an absolute fool to believe that you are going to some theme park in the sky forever because you grovel to some Jewish myth. There is NOT a shred of evidence that Jesus ever existed outside the fairy tale book “The Bible”. Can you Christian idiots read - read some good books; The God Delusion or God is Not Great or The End of Faith or go to Wiki and read about the - Jesus Myth Theory - know the truth of your fairy tale, you’re living a life of delusion from being brain-washed as children. GROW UP - there is no Santa Claus for grown-ups
You Christians are little cowering mice afraid to die so you believe in stupid nonsense to relieve your Cognitive Dissonance - you might have to look that up because I doubt any of you have an education.

Mountains of the sea!!!- TOO FUNNY

Oki mister smart ass, explain me this then. Why is temperature of sun's surface is 5k Celsius but just 400 miles away from it solar heat reaches almost 1 million Celsius. According to the law of energy it's impossible. Something cannot be hotter then original source of heat.

How can cold vacuum make solar energy hotter?

gazzthompson

03-19-2012, 02:21 PM

Oki mister smart ass, explain me this then. Why is temperature of sun's surface is 5k Celsius but just 400 miles away from it solar heat reaches almost 1 million Celsius. According to the law of energy it's impossible. Something cannot be hotter then original source of heat.

How can cold vacuum make solar energy hotter?

What are you talking about? and what has it got to do with jesus?

wormhole

03-19-2012, 02:24 PM

Oki mister smart ass, explain me this then. Why is temperature of sun's surface is 5k Celsius but just 400 miles away from it solar heat reaches almost 1 million Celsius. According to the law of energy it's impossible. Something cannot be hotter then original source of heat.

How can cold vacuum make solar energy hotter?

Assuming you are correct – I don’t know, SO Let’s insert the God of Abraham or any of the thousands of other Gods- how about Lord Krishna? He did it. Can we chant together?

brightgoo

03-19-2012, 02:40 PM

Wormhole, you dont have to hold back bro, just tell us how you really feel. So do all atheist lie like little school girls about their IQ. I doubt it will make your dick bigger, bc thats what your really mad about ... right ... thought so. I hope you are right in front of me, on the stairway to heaven to anwser for your deeds, (that would be funny) and yes their are mountains of the sea. I will pray for you wormhole, that God unhardens your heart, .... dont worry its no bother at all. :)
And I have read some of Hitchens stuff and seen videos. As I said before, I get it, he has very interesting convincing points and views.
So now I have in my two hands. One Hitchens and like mindedness, in the other, the Bible and its positive teachings along with Jesus a great philosopher. I will always choose Bible and Jesus.

Wormhole I know nihilism is so more attractive, so to each his own.

We will still think your smart, even if you dont lie about your IQ. (morals :0 )

MadeInRu

03-19-2012, 02:44 PM

Gazz, was a rhetorical question ;)

Wormhole, i'm correct. It's like that and no one knows why it's happening. You want to insert god there, be my guest. I will keep it simple, we just don't know why it is like that. That works for many other things in life. Can some one prove that there is a god? No, Can some one prove there is no god? No.

gazzthompson

03-19-2012, 03:27 PM

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzjJDzYZCXOztiPvtNUGZDgexxWjCjq 3geJPqEvgsaHBa9iH18Xtp0es6i

Clodius

03-19-2012, 04:40 PM

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzjJDzYZCXOztiPvtNUGZDgexxWjCjq 3geJPqEvgsaHBa9iH18Xtp0es6i

Rofl...

MadeinRu I know you're trying to compensate for 75 years of enforced atheism but cmon...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
Look at the "Physical Characteristics" on the right under "Temperature"...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Sun_parts_big.jpg

eaglethebeagle

03-19-2012, 07:38 PM

Hey this is about shitty democrats not space time consortium....:fu:

Clodius

03-19-2012, 08:25 PM

Hey this is about shitty democrats not space time consortium....:fu:
Unfortunately the Reps have made the 2 combined by incorporating Hebrew tribal law into 21st century governance. A position I might add vehemently mirrored by Mullah Omar and his cronies.

eaglethebeagle

03-19-2012, 09:08 PM

Nobel Prize winner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was asked to account for the great tragedies that occurred under the brutal communist regime he and fellow citizens suffered under.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn offered the following explanation:

“ Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: 'Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.'

Since then I have spend well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: 'Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.
”

Vox Day notes concerning atheism and mass murder:

“ Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism … .there have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal162 acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao …

The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.

The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst of the whole Hell-bound lot. For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere but in the lands they once ruled with a red hand.

Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them.

If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case. Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation!

Some very good reads on atheist and their murdering ways...

Clodius

03-19-2012, 09:17 PM

I'll defer to The Hitch once more. Just because nobody says it better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrj6qJ-GMic

brightgoo

03-20-2012, 12:52 AM

Argueing with the All Mighty Hitch (with his accusations) : 1st-Catholics were 3% of Founding Fathers, 2ndly-immediately after seminary he embraced the teachings of Marx, 3rdly how convenient to casually toss out the incriminating association of N Korea and Christianity, but run out of time, (please Hitch we are waiting with breathless anticipation for the damning charge of Christ and N Korea that once and for all set it straight) and with the chimp remark, I guess that a chromosome makes that much of a differance. Must I elaborate more ...

brightgoo

03-20-2012, 01:08 AM

I had missed this one earlier, please dilate about Endogamy, Exogamy, Polygyny, Matrilocal Marriage or Concubinage ... and ... 21st century governance?

btw good read Eagle #58

gazzthompson

03-20-2012, 04:29 AM

There is no link between atheism and mass murder. There can't be, there is no logical pathway from atheism to murder, there is no religious texts to tell you how and who to hate and kill. Atheism has no cause, leaders, agenda.

Stalin, mao didn't kill because they where atheists, they killed because they where totalitarians. I'll quote 3 people who explain it better.

people of faith often claim that the crimes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were the inevitable product of unbelief. The problem with fascism and communism, however, is not that they are too critical of religion; the problem is that they are too much like religions. Such regimes are dogmatic to the core and generally give rise to personality cults that are indistinguishable from cults of religious hero worship. Auschwitz, the gulag and the killing fields were not examples of what happens when human beings reject religious dogma; they are examples of political, racial and nationalistic dogma run amok. There is no society in human history that ever suffered because its people became too reasonable.

-Sam harris

another thing to realize is that these reigns were not driven by Atheism, or a doctrine of Atheism; there is no such doctrine for Atheism, any more than there is a doctrine for not believing in fairies. There is no logical pathway between unbelief and violence “in the name” of unbelief. There is, however, a logical pathway between Theism and violence. Not everyone who is religious follow this pathway, in fact, most do not. Let’s be clear. Most religious people would not hurt a fly if they can help it. However, the logical pathway to violence does exist from religious doctrine nevertheless.

-dawkins

Steven Weinberg points out about Religion; “With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”

-dawkins again

If the only reason people aren't out murdering each other is because of fear of punishment from a sky fairy... then humanity is fucked.

brightgoo

03-20-2012, 09:55 AM

Weinberg should leave theology to the theologians. And of course Sam Harris, a self avowed atheist, and that makes money on his dogma, is not going to highlight similarities between the two. Sam Harris tries to derive values from data, which is superfulous. Where is this quote from Moral Landscape?

I can cherrypick qoutes from Dawkins and agree, but then I feel he will contradict himself. There are different types of alcohol as there are different types of atheism, Christianity, Islamic beliefs, etc.

MadeInRu

03-20-2012, 10:23 AM

Guys...

You trying to put a link between mass murders and atheism? What were you smoking all?

eaglethebeagle

03-20-2012, 10:26 AM

Guys...

You trying to put a link between mass murders and atheism? What were you smoking all?

im smoking facts as in historical facts. its hard to deny history.

brightgoo

03-20-2012, 10:40 AM

Just because they dont openly and consciously say they are atheist does not mean they arent. So I consider Mao, Kim, Wormhole, :) (jk) but you get the point.

gazzthompson

03-20-2012, 10:55 AM

There is no link. Atheism has no agenda, no scripture to promote hatred or dogma. Coupled with the common examples (starlin, mao) being totalitarians, this is clearly the cause. Totalitarian has much more in common with religious values, than secular.

They also both wore pants. Clearly the link here.

MadeInRu

03-20-2012, 11:02 AM

They were totalitarian regimes. ((Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible. Totalitarian regimes stay in political power through an all-encompassing propaganda campaign, which is disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that is often marked by political repression, personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of terror.))

Atheism is a by product of it, as tyranny is a single hand rule and a single handed control over minds. Religion offers alternative to that control and as such considered to be a threat to that control.

All of them did those things not because they were atheists, they were atheists because they wanted a total control over their way of ruling the nation. Religion btw was used when it was needed, in USSR that is, in propaganda ways and such.

gazzthompson

03-20-2012, 11:24 AM

Very well said, much better than my response.

eaglethebeagle

03-21-2012, 01:23 AM

eaglethebeagle

03-21-2012, 01:24 AM

Here is obama being tough on terror right???

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Five top Taliban leaders held by the U.S. in the Guantanamo Bay military prison told a visiting Afghan delegation they agree to a proposed transfer to the tiny Gulf state of Qatar, opening the door for a possible move aimed at bringing the Taliban into peace talks, Afghan officials said Saturday.
The U.S. is considering transferring the five from the prison in Cuba to a presumably less restrictive custody in Qatar as an incentive for the Taliban to enter negotiations — though Washington has not yet outright agreed to the step, and some in Congress oppose it.
Talks with the Taliban are seen as key to bringing some level of calm to Afghanistan, allowing American troops to come home without the country descending into further chaos. But months of efforts to cobble together talks have failed.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai initially opposed sending the prisoners to Qatar instead of home to Afghanistan. But his government sent a delegation to Guantanamo Bay this past week to visit the prisoners, a possible sign of Karzai's consent to the arrangement.
The five prisoners agreed to the transfer as long as they would be reunited with their families in Qatar, said two senior Afghan officials.
A former U.S. official familiar with the negotiations over the prisoners confirmed the Afghan delegation's visit.
All three officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
The delegation could not have visited the prison without U.S. approval, but a spokeswoman for the White House national security council declined to comment.
The prisoners proposed for transfer include some of the detainees brought to Guantanamo during the initial days and weeks of the U.S. invasion that toppled the Taliban government in Afghanistan in 2001. At least one has been accused in the massacre of thousands of Shiite Muslims in Afghanistan, according to U.S. and other assessments, but none are accused of directly killing Americans.
The Obama administration does not want to send the prisoners to Afghanistan, in part for fear they might be released. The men are considered "enemy combatants" who were, at least until recently, considered too dangerous to release.
They would likely be held in Qatar under conditions that are less secure and less restrictive than at Guantanamo.
Afghan officials said previously that they discussed with the U.S. a plan to give Afghanistan a form of legal custody over the men if they are released as a way to satisfy their earlier objection to sending the prisoners to a third country. It's unclear whether that plan came under discussion during the recent visit or if anything was finalized.
Several members of Congress oppose any release, and lawmakers have erected several legal hurdles that military and other officials acknowledge would slow and complicate the process.
Several GOP lawmakers who object to the transfer have pushed the White House to keep the detainees in Guantanamo "until the end of hostilities," a U.S. official with knowledge of the negotiations said earlier this year. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss conversations with the White House.
Of particular concern is Mullah Norullah Nori, described in U.S. military documents as one of the most significant former Taliban officials held at Guantanamo. He was a senior Taliban commander in Mazar-e-Sharif when the Taliban fought U.S. forces in late 2001. He previously was a Taliban governor in two provinces Northern Afghanistan, where he has been accused of ordering the massacre of thousands of Shiite Muslims.
The U.S. is increasingly focused on jump-starting peace negotiations with the Taliban, especially because the country is scheduled to bring most of its combat troops home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014.
The Taliban have agreed to set up a political office in Qatar to facilitate negotiations. But the peace process has been shrouded in rumor and uncertainty, and it's unclear how much urgency the militants feel to strike a deal given that foreign troops are on their way out.
____
Gearan reported from Washington.

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MadeInRu

03-21-2012, 02:31 AM

Beags, i understand now what? That atheism is part of totalitarian regime? Yeas, just like many other things. Is atheism the reason because of which they commit all those atrocities? No.

Atheism is used for single purpose, to counter the influence of church on people, nothing else.

gazzthompson

03-21-2012, 04:26 AM

great point about the totalitarian governments being atheist. They then shed the blood of millions because that is part of government in those atheist countries. It isn't coincidence that the two happen together.

I am glad you understand now right?

They both wore pants, coincidence? I think not, this is clearly the reason (what your argument sounds like) .

veritas44

03-21-2012, 04:49 AM

Man this thread has gone from the inane to the dicking refuckuless .

obama on a flag(thumbs down by the way)... to coronal temperatures as an explanation for God (caused mostly by magnetic reconnection) to atheism vs monotheistic belief ( ? ) all the way to atheistic totalitarian regimes being more like a religion by brandishing the carrot and the stick.

For the love of ( add your belief here ), pick a topic and stay on it. even though i must admit there is some amusement to be had by watching a thread slip into entropy.

brightgoo

03-21-2012, 09:45 AM

You gave me a good laugh this morning Veritas!

eaglethebeagle

03-21-2012, 01:09 PM

this is a great thread. Nothing like tackling all of mans controversies and physics at the same time.

MadeInRu

03-21-2012, 01:49 PM

I agree, this thread is superb. We do go off topic from time to time, but discussion is always interesting and never ugly.

Clodius

03-21-2012, 02:44 PM

...though i must admit there is some amusement to be had by watching a thread slip into entropy.
ROFL...
Entropy, what an awesome concept for discussions based on politics (and Eagle's grip on reality as a Teabagger). Jesus Ackbar!!!

eaglethebeagle

03-21-2012, 03:28 PM

this comment below belongs here and not on the Trayvon Martin post except that it was a response to gazz and his remarks on that other thread.

i have posted several reasons why I have disdain for democrats(liberals). If you remove religion from the two sides of politics liberals still stand for gun grabbing, socialism, less freedoms more government control, it is very simple. This is so simple to understand and I dont understand military men or women that support the democrats either. The democrats are actually anti military. Obama is going to reduce benefits and jobs across the entire military if he gets his way.

To what extent will be only by how much the republican party can resist his goal. Its odd that democrats are all for entitlements for the poor yet they are against entitlements for our military. Why would you not want to support the people who are risking their lives to keep us free and safe? The poor are doing nothing in a figurative definition to support America. The answer is they are a segment that democrats have embraced only for the votes that can be gained from this segment. You cant be anti gun and pro military and so at least democrats have that understood.

There is so much more I can go on and I probably will just not now.

eaglethebeagle

03-22-2012, 05:43 PM

just attaching this here as it relates and I posted it on another thread that it related well to.

Be safe everyone....enjoy your family and friends....maybe consider how you can do more good than remain in the same old routine for another year of life.-------

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COMMENTARY | President Barack Obama signed an executive order Friday titled "National Defense Resources Preparedness." The news media is unsure of the precise meaning of the information included in the order and average citizens are left to figure out what it means in general. As a longtime supporter of the president, I've been reluctant to jump to conclusions, but the general tide of recent legislation and this order give me reason for concern about the intentions of this administration.
The order lists items such as the power of the executive departments of the U.S. federal government and its agencies to "identify requirements for the full spectrum of emergencies, including essential military and civilian demand." This same section, labeled "General Functions," also enumerates these departments and agencies might ensure availability of domestic resources and industries to secure national defense. Do these and other line items signal that America is on the verge of another war -- and will that war be with another nation or on U.S. citizens?
The first step in the direction of applying military law to private citizens occurred Dec. 31, when the president signed into law the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012. This legislation sounded the initial alarm to me because although its main purpose is for providing necessary funding of the military, it included provisions that allowed the indefinite detention without charge of private citizens.
The next signal of alarm came on March 8, when the president signed into law H.R. 347, the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011. The law restricts protests at political functions among other things. This is offensive since the U.S. was founded upon protest and revolution.
Perhaps each law taken individually wouldn't be a cause for concern, but the totality of these three suggests the federal government is envisioning more control over the civilian population than it has ever enjoyed. The president's order on Friday suggests to some the executive branch might be ready to enact martial law in peacetime.
Smack dab in the middle of the baby boomer generation, L.L. Woodard is a proud resident of "The Red Man" state. With what he hopes is an everyman's view of life's concerns both in his state and throughout the nation, Woodard presents facts and opinions based on common-sense solutions.

this was on yahoo or ABC news site. google it.

To all of you I love you as fellow AC members even the ones I dont agree with. The world is going in a direction that is quite literally leading to our end. If you care about your families and your own life then wake up and think about things in a grander scale than just your own selfish interest.

I am sorry but things just require a new way of thinking.

BrendenF11

03-22-2012, 07:52 PM

Just saying but:

Just about every president since Franklin Roosevelt had "Czar" appointees in their administration. Bush had a total of 36 positions (many temporary) filled by a total of 46 different individuals over the years, of which 21 were confirmed by the U.S. Senate. That leaves a total of 25 "czars" which were not approved by congress.

Obama has been on the same path, with some quite puzzling "czars". Really a video game "Czar"???? In this day and age with the defecit as it is, it's a waste of money, time, and effort. Edit: I could not find an accurate number for Obama, but would sure love to hear it.

These two are my favorite:

President Bush along with congress in 2001, a democratic Senate and a republican house, approved the Patriot Act. A blatant anti constitutional policy act. He also opened the door, and allowed the following-

President Obama along with congress in 2011, a democratic senate and a republican house, approved the latest disgusting NDAA. A blatant slap against the constitution. He is building and adding more power to an already overloaded with power position in the American government.

I could go on an on about both presidencies and both political parties, as they are both so damn broken it isn't even funny. I won't though because it isn't worth the time, these are just two of the glaring issues I see.

That being said, I would take a bullet for either of these men (or anyone from any party who is elected as president) because they are the president. A few months ago I stopped at a gas stationto get a bite to eat while in uniform. This guy came up to me to talk politics, he laid into about how bad Obama was. I nodded my head in agreement to avoid any kind of disagreement or scuffle over politics. He concluded by smiling and saying, "Shit atleast I know I can count on you military guys. You wouldn't take a bullet for Obama if you had the chance to and you saw it coming would ya?" I simply replied, "I am a member of the United State Military, and as a member of the military it is my duty and responsibility to take the bullet for Obama regardless of political ideals I may have. It is up to civilians to decide what happens next, the military is just here to ensure that you are able to make those choices in the future." He laughed called me a "No good liberal piece of shit." and walked out the door, I in turn thanked him loud enough for him to hear.

No matter who gets elected it will be the same, just a different party at the helm. So just pick your poison.

serpa6

03-22-2012, 09:56 PM

No matter who gets elected it will be the same, just a different party at the helm. So just pick your poison.

Wow i have been trying to say that for about 2 weeks now Thanks Brenden

eaglethebeagle

03-22-2012, 10:38 PM

I agree with that that both sides are corupt and neither side truly gives a shit about us average joe Americans.

I would still prefer a republican in the white house than a democrat as we can see obama has done some things that honestly go well beyond Bush and the patriot act. I know that many want to generalize that the partiot act is like the NDAA now but truthfully it is not. Then I have to add that the patriot act was all but one piece of legislation that was enacted after arguably the worst attack on American soil EVER.

So yes it did infringe and then also it had a expiration date if you recall? They did renew the Patriot Act but unless someone knows more it needs to be reviewed and renewed over time.

Then comes this most recently to my attention today.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. intelligence community will now be able to store information about Americans with no ties to terrorism for up to five years under new Obama administration guidelines.
Until now, the National Counterterrorism Center had to immediately destroy information about Americans that was already stored in other government databases when there were no clear ties to terrorism.
Giving the NCTC expanded record-retention authority had been called for by members of Congress who said the intelligence community did not connect strands of intelligence held by multiple agencies leading up to the failed bombing attempt on a Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas 2009.
"Following the failed terrorist attack in December 2009, representatives of the counterterrorism community concluded it is vital for NCTC to be provided with a variety of datasets from various agencies that contain terrorism information," Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said in a statement late Thursday. "The ability to search against these datasets for up to five years on a continuing basis as these updated guidelines permit will enable NCTC to accomplish its mission more practically and effectively."
The new rules replace guidelines issued in 2008 and have privacy advocates concerned about the potential for data-mining information on innocent Americans.
"It is a vast expansion of the government's surveillance authority," Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, said of the five-year retention period.
The government put in strong safeguards at the NCTC for the data that would be collected on U.S. citizens for intelligence purposes, Rotenberg said. These new guidelines undercut the Federal Privacy Act, he said.
"The fact that this data can be retained for five years on U.S. citizens for whom there's no evidence of criminal conduct is very disturbing," Rotenberg said.
"Total Information Awareness appears to be reconstructing itself," Rotenberg said, referring to the Defense Department's post-9/11 data-mining research program that was killed in 2003 because of privacy concerns.
The Washington Post first reported the new rules Thursday.
The Obama administration said the new rules come with strong safeguards for privacy and civil liberties as well. Before the NCTC may obtain data held by another government agency, there is a high-level review to assure that the data "is likely to contain significant terrorism information," Alexander Joel, the civil liberties protection officer at national intelligence directorate, said in a news release Thursday.
The NCTC was created after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to be the central U.S. organization to analyze and integrate intelligence regarding terrorism.

Best comment I saw about this was this

Politicians know that they are leading the country to a path of economic collapse. They know that the time will come when the goverment will have to take military control of the country. The goverment has passed numerous laws using terrorism as cover to lay the groundwork for martial law and imprisonment without due process. Just as democrats didn't say anything when Bush first passed his patriot act republicans are not saying anything about the laws currently being passed.

My opinion is The politicians want to be able to protect themselves when there is an uprising from the people who are outraged and no longer standing for broken politics.

There will be a gun grab it is inevitable in my opinion. I respect the honesty that many express here as I truly just give my heart felt thoughts and opinions too.

If the government whether it be obama or another hitler enacts martial law here in America and trys to grab our guns I promise you on my childrens lives and my own they or you if you are military and are ordered to come take my guns will do it only after you have taken my life first. That is not a threat nor a dare it is just how it will be with me personally.