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jamieooh
03-14-2012, 09:05 PM
By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON | Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:41pm EDT

(Reuters) - The Obama administration is leaving open the possibility of giving Moscow certain secret data on U.S. interceptor missiles due to help protect Europe from any Iranian missile strike.

A deal is being sought by Washington that could include classified data exchange because it is in the U.S. interest to enlist Russia and its radar stations in the missile-defense effort, a Pentagon spokeswoman said Tuesday in written replies to Reuters.

No decision has been made yet on whether the United States would offer data about the interceptors' "velocity at burnout," or VBO, said Air Force Lieutenant Colonel April Cunningham, the spokeswoman, but it is not being ruled out.

VBO is at the heart of what Russia wants as the price for its cooperation, said Riki Ellison, head of the private Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance, who has close ties to missile defense and military officials.

VBO tells how fast an interceptor is going when its rocket-booster motor fuel is spent and the motor burns out.

With VBO and certain other technical data, Moscow could more readily develop countermeasures and strategies to defeat the system and transfer the information to others, Ellison said.

Ellen Tauscher, the administration's special envoy for strategic stability and missile defense, held talks in Moscow Tuesday with Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov, including on missile defense, a State Department spokesman said.

The Defense Department, in its response to Reuters, ruled out giving Russia information on either "telemetry" or U.S. "hit-to-kill" technology.

Telemetry involves the automatic transmission and measurement of data from remote sources to monitor a missile flight. Hit-to-kill is the way in which modern U.S. interceptors, such as Raytheon Co's Standard Missile-3, destroy targets by slamming into them.

The department emphasized the Obama administration was following in the footsteps of the George W. Bush administration in seeking missile defense cooperation with Moscow, a process formally begun in 2004.

In keeping open the possibility of sharing VBO information with Moscow, Obama is at odds with Republicans in Congress who have said they will seek to legislate a prohibition on such data-sharing.

Republican Rep. Mike Turner, chairman of the House of Representatives' Armed Services subcommittee on strategic forces, faulted the administration for what he described as "caving" to Russian concerns at the expense of U.S. interests.

"That is why it is important Congress insist on protecting our classified missile defense information, and our right to deploy missile defenses without concern for Russia's posturing," he said in a statement Tuesday to Reuters.

The sharing of such data might help salve Russian concerns about the layered shield being built in Europe by the United States and its NATO allies, chiefly to fend off the perceived threat from Iranian missiles.

Moscow fears the bulwark could grow strong enough over time to undermine its nuclear deterrent force. It has threatened to deploy missiles to overcome the shield and potentially target missile defense installations such as those planned in NATO members Poland and Romania.

The Defense Department, in its reply to Reuters, said the sharing of classified U.S. data is subject to an interagency group known as the National Disclosure Policy Committee, which evaluates requests for dealing with other governments.

Bradley Roberts, a deputy assistant secretary of defense, told Turner's committee last week the United States had been making "no progress" toward persuading Russia to drop its opposition to the shield despite its willingness to consider sharing certain classified data.

(Reporting By Jim Wolf; editing by Todd Eastham)

eaglethebeagle
03-15-2012, 04:25 AM
This president is a fraud he isnt even American....Sheriff Joe knows this and I hope that some how this fuck is taken out of the White House. He wants to give away secret missile data to Russia for what purpose? We dont need the fucking worlds permission to protect ourselves or our allies...He is a shit for brains along with panetta...There better be objection in congress and the senate and this shouldnt be allowed with those two parts of governmental approval. Damn this man is fucking stupid.

Benda
03-15-2012, 06:33 AM
Thanks for the read Jamie. Very interesting actually, as i rarely find the time to follow details on the intricacies if US defences abroad etc


This president is a fraud he isnt even American....Sheriff Joe knows this and I hope that some how this fuck is taken out of the White House. He wants to give away secret missile data to Russia for what purpose? We dont need the fucking worlds permission to protect ourselves or our allies...He is a shit for brains along with panetta...There better be objection in congress and the senate and this shouldnt be allowed with those two parts of governmental approval. Damn this man is fucking stupid.

Eagle, your comment almost sounds, dare i say anti-American? Would you consider yourself a racist, or do you just dislike the guy based on the decisions of his administration?

I don't pretend to know anything about either subject btw, i'm just curious as to why you would feel the need to display such disdain for the man on a forum.

gazzthompson
03-15-2012, 07:40 AM
"The department emphasized the Obama administration was following in the footsteps of the George W. Bush administration in seeking missile defense cooperation with Moscow, a process formally begun in 2004."

Seems reasonable.

DevilDog812
03-15-2012, 10:45 AM
I don't care who started it, giving anything defense related to Russia is retarded. As long as it doesn't hit Moscow, they probably couldn't give a shit anyways. Anyways, why would Iran attack Russia? I'm pretty sure there are some backroom deals going on between the two

jamieooh
03-15-2012, 12:58 PM
Welcome Benda . I hope other apaches will post storied about their military. I know people do. Serpa,Mick,Jim,eagle,and others. Can I make my oral Annie comment about the predator Bill Clinton ? Lol.
Devildog Bill Clinton also gave missile technology to China in the 90.
Trust me I'm not fond of the idea either. I'm fairly certain gazz is correct.

brightgoo
03-16-2012, 12:51 AM
seems about right

MadeInRu
03-16-2012, 08:50 AM
Some people just think that they are the only ones who have the right to protect themselves...

For some reason they refused when Russia offered them their own radar installations, but then again, they're ONLY aimed out in the direction of Iran...

eaglethebeagle
03-16-2012, 12:29 PM
I dont understand why I am being labeled a racist by a mod.... but here you go.

No I am not racist because I have disdain for obama. I have disdain for putin as you can clearly see in other post. Am i racist against putin? If you can go further than that to somehow justify your comment then I can reply further to the nonsense.

By the way as a moderator you have seen my comments and post on AC for 2 years now. Have you ever seen me post racist comments or post? I have the largest LTC Allen West post on this site. That I promote that man and have given him as much respect as I can for a politician seems to refute your accusation easily.

http://www.apacheclips.com/media/20387/LTC_Allen_West__discusses_ROE/



So there you go I hope your I answered your question completely. obama if you follow politics daily and very closely is anti American. His wife is Anti American.... Yes it is true and there is proof in multiple place that show this to be true. If you want I will start an obama thread and I will start posting and linking all the Anti American and socialist related data on him.

I am simply American and stand up for our Constitution and Bill of Rights....I have a quick trigger when I see bullshit with our government and politicians. There are some that are in the traditional patriotic way trying to make positive or even negative changes to our country but in the proper way of their position. Then you have obama and others who disrespect the Constitution and are bastardizing the Constitution with new laws like the NDAA etc.

There is a lot to pay attention to and if you are working a 40 hour work week and then have other obligations it is difficult to keep up. So I am fortunate to be able to keep up with it.

Benda
03-16-2012, 07:07 PM
I dont understand why I am being labeled a racist by a mod....
Eagle, your first paragraph is incorrect you were not labelled a racist, please don't try and manipulate my words my friend.


Would you consider yourself a racist... Is not an accusation, a label, or anything other than a question. Your fourth paragraph acknowledges that you were asked a question...

So there you go I hope your I answered your question completely

You consider my questions nonsense because you took offence right? In my opinion, you played that one wrong. Part of you're reply is incorrect, so lets stick to the facts shall we?
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You are correct in stating that I have read your comments here for some time....and yes, I have observed many of your posts.
If you want I will start an obama thread and I will start posting and linking all the Anti American and socialist related data on him. Post as you will Eagle, within reason I could care less about you're political agenda, but bear in mind that if someone asks you a direct question and you take offence to it, there is a right and wrong way to respond.

Misconstruing peoples words that you either misread or didn't agree with, could be considered by some to be trolling. There's a fine line between trolling and debating...I would prefer to keep things amicable, but if you're going to misquote me for reasons unknown you will loose all credibility.

Let me add, I am not trying to judge you as a person, nor alter your point of view. I encourage people to post their view, that's the idea behind a forum. As I already stated...
I don't pretend to know anything about either subject btw, i'm just curious as to why you would feel the need to display such disdain for the man on a forum.

My comment to you was made as a community member, the moderator label next to my name was unrelated to the questions I had for you. As it turns out you did infact clarify my query so thanks for that, but please don't take me for a fool in future.

eaglethebeagle
03-16-2012, 10:05 PM
Well in due respect to even hint that you are unsure if I am a racist or not is very insulting and degrading to me. I am respectful to you and all members that show they are respectful not just to me but to this site. I mean you have members who repeatidly just come here and create shit storms with other members and they seem to just be here for that reason. Then you have members that contribute their sincere opinions and post legit content. The members who I dont agree with but they are here being sincere in posting good military or other content I dont get in much trouble with. Example MadeinRU he and I have been very good with respect to each other for most of his and my time here. Recently he seemed to come onto threads or frontpage post and just post a pro obama view just to put it there when it is a view not shared by most. He did it over and over and then I commented back to him. He then said he didnt care about obama or putin. Well that is just being trollish as he then wasnt being sincere with his remarks he was looking to rattle the beehive.

If he just was a obama supported I could ignore that and not care but since he is not obama supporter and he is placing pro obama comments up on a post with many who dislike obama that is what a troll would do. He and I are ok for better or worse regardless. I will never understand the mind of these people who support socialism or communism for that matter as I know so many who have sturggled to escape those kinds of governments.

I respect you as a mod and all the other mods and I do my best to stay out of shit with other members. My opinions and views are ... or should be equally important as other members opinions. Of course we all have different opinions and we will never all feel the same on everything. That is reality and the world. I just really took it personally to even be asked if I am racist as I never have ever been questioned like that here. Not from someone with a sincere position I should say.

So that is it. If I asked you are you racist you would likely get a bit agitated I would bet.