Semper Fi and fuck you very much barrak

[eaglethebeagle]

SAN DIEGO (AP) — Marine Sgt. Gary Stein first started a Facebook page called Armed Forces Tea Party Patriots to encourage service members to exercise their free speech rights. Then he declared that he wouldn't follow orders from the commander in chief, President Barack Obama.
While Stein softened his statement to say he wouldn't follow "unlawful orders," military observers say he may have gone too far.
The Marine Corps is now looking into whether he violated the military's rules prohibiting political statements by those in uniform and broke its guidelines on what troops can and cannot say on social media. Stein said his views are constitutionally protected.
While troops have always expressed their views in private, Stein's case highlights the potential for their opinions to go global as tech-savvy service members post personal details, videos and pictures that can hurt the military's image at home and abroad.

"I think that it's been pretty well established for a long time that freedom of speech is one area in which people do surrender some of their basic rights in entering the armed forces," said former Navy officer David Glazier, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.
"Good order and discipline require the military maintain respect for the chain of command," Glazier said. "That includes prohibiting speech critical of the senior officers in that chain of command — up to and including the commander in chief."
According to Pentagon directives, military personnel in uniform can't sponsor a political club; participate in any TV or radio program or group discussion that advocates for or against a political party, candidate or cause; or speak at any event promoting a political movement.
Commissioned officers also may not use contemptuous words against senior officials, including the defense secretary or the president.
[Related: Military seeks sixth-sense training]
In January, an Army reservist wearing camouflaged fatigues got into trouble for taking the stage during a rally in Iowa with Republican presidential candidate and Texas congressman Ron Paul.
Stein was first cautioned by his superiors at Camp Pendleton, north of San Diego, in 2010 after he launched his Facebook page, criticizing Obama's health care overhaul. Stein volunteered to take down the page while he reviewed the rules at the request of his superiors.
He said he determined he was not in violation and relaunched the page under the shortened account name Armed Forces Tea Party. Last week, he said his superiors told him he couldn't use social media sites on government computers after he posted the message stating he would not follow unlawful orders of the president.
Stein said his statement was part of an online debate about NATO allowing U.S. troops to be tried for the Quran burnings in Afghanistan.
In that context, he said, he was stating that he would not follow orders from the president if those orders included detaining U.S. citizens, disarming them or doing anything else that he believes would violate their constitutional rights.
Another Marine alerted his command about the statement, Stein said.
Stein said he respects the office of the president, but he does not agree with Obama's policies. He said he is within his rights to speak up.
"Just because I'm a Marine doesn't mean I don't have free speech or can't say my personal opinion about the president or other public official just like anybody else," Stein said. "The Constitution trumps everything else."
Stein said it's positive when service members are well-versed on the Constitution and what's going on in government.
"When we know what we're fighting for, we fight harder," he said.
The Marine Corps said Stein is allowed to express his personal opinions as long as they do not give the impression he is speaking in his official capacity as a Marine. Spokesman Maj. Michael Armistead said the Corps is taking a closer look to ensure Stein has not crossed that line.
"At this time, he has not been asked to take down the statement on his page," he said.
Stein appears in a dress shirt and tie on his Facebook page but he also describes himself as "a conservative blogger, speaker, the founder of the Armed Forces Tea Party and active-duty, eight-year Marine Corps veteran."
Marine Sgt. Jerret Wright, who liked Stein's page, said Stein "probably skirted the line a little bit" with his latest message about not following Obama's orders, but his boldness in expressing his views has been refreshing in a community that often feels silenced.
"People assume that we're zombies with an on-and-off switch, and that we listen to orders and do nothing else," Wright said.
Military observers say it's not that simple. They say it is bad form to lash out at the commander in chief. Experts also say his Facebook postings appear to link his professional standing with his political views.
They also point out that the Pentagon policy is necessary in preventing political and religious debates that could divide a unit and disrupt the strong working relationship that is needed to carry out missions, Glazier said.
"There are plenty of examples in the world of militaries heavily involved in influencing political events that have shown that is not conducive to civilian rule of law," he said.




http://news.yahoo.com/marines-facebook-page-tests-military-rules-234113159.html



:thumbsup::USA::thumbsup:

[eaglethebeagle]

GO to this guys facebook and support the shit out of it. I would wire this guy my bank account right now if he needed it. If obama or anyone wants to shut him up that will push me and those of us sick and tired of this corruption to go to new and drastic lengths to stop this madness that our government has become.

[eaglethebeagle]

http://www.facebook.com/ArmedForcesTeaParty/info

ArmedForcesTP@gmail.com his email

[shatto]

All of your posts are something to cogitate.
When I joined, I recall swearing an oath and I don't know if it has changed. I recall the UCMJ as controlling our behavior and that we lived under a different set of rules. And many of us were drafted, something I believe is not a consideration today, so today's soldier should have a simpler time knowing what can and cannot be.
Had the good Sargent simply used a nom de plume, he would have accomplished the mission and would be able to offer the world a knowing smile.

[Sixx]

I'd agree with the guy....If we both didn't serve.

That dude is a No-Go

You give up the rights when you sign your name on your enlistment papers. This is not the Boy Scouts of America....the Military sucks for a reason....A very good reason at that. It's always been like this. It's nothing new.

He does not get my support......at all.

[KGCNC]

Im gonna agree with Sixx on this. He is Military, period. he did cross the line about the president comment. I dont like Obummer, but his comments were excessive. Gotta watch what you say.

[serpa6]

@ Eagle
Really support him I am a Vet I took the same oath may It be Obama cliton bush jr bush sr I DONT DID NOT LIKE ALL OF THEM AND DONT GIVE A FUCK COMANDER IN CHIEF IS WHAT IT IS PART OF ALL SOLDIERS MISSION IS TO KEEP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND IN PLACE HE LOST HIS RIGHTS WHEN HE JOINED THEY SHOULD JAIL HIM FOR INSUBORDINATION AND TREASON AND OF COURSE YOUR GOING TO COME AND SAY THE WHOLE FUCKING GOVERMENT SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP ON THE SAME CHARGES HAVE U SERVED IF YOU HAD YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS GUY I WOULD NOT TRUST HIM IN COMBAT AND HAVE ANYBODYS BACK WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE HE WILL HAVE HIS OWN BACK ENOUGH SAID

[eaglethebeagle]

"In that context, he said, he was stating that he would not follow orders from the president if those orders included detaining U.S. citizens, disarming them or doing anything else that he believes would violate their constitutional rights."

This is all i need to quote. If you think your going to disarm me as a citizen of the United States of America then your going to have to kill me and I promise you with out your apache gunship or other vehicles I will take out as many of the Presidents zombies I can before I am gutted and dead.

Have you heard this before?

"From my cold dead hands"







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ju4Gla2odw

[eaglethebeagle]

this is my question then to you all who are loyal to our CinC....Would you disarm citizens or detain me without cause as is in law under the NDAA?

I want to know what I should prepare for today. My military friends are going to sell me out when they get orders to take weapons under martial law or any other reason obama can create?

You loyal men are not thinking it through far enough.

You will be slaves right along with me when that day comes.

[serpa6]

The only way martial law would happen as if we would be attacked by another country and it would not be to disarm citizens of this country Most likely the goverment would arm our citizens and the answer to your question would you get detained being a citizen of the United States Hell NO Alot of people are taking the NDAA and blowing up to just that and they think its going to happen to them There has been and always will be people in this country That would not anything else for the goverment to fall Well if they think that they can do a better job then get elected That is called democracy Alot of people think that things will happen overnight well guess what nothing has never ever happened overnight within a month within a year People tend to today to place blame on everyone and everything else that happens The next thing on there agenda is that the military is corrupt This is how bad things will get If we think that taking down a goverment and its military in this country does not follow the orders of the COC Then we are no better then the 3rd world bullshit that happens on our great planet

[Sixx]

This is my take of it and pretty much the way it is in the real Military.

We have a chain of command for a reason(yes, Obama is at the top of that chain)
We have rules/regulations and the UCMJ for a reason.

You cannot be an activist and wear a uniform of the Armed Services at the same time. It doesn't work and ends up in failure, reduction in rank and pay, and confinement.
There are things called lawful and unlawful orders. Common sense pretty much differentiates the two.....and there is a specific way you must handle/refuse an unlawful order.



I hate Obama, but in the Military or any other job you cannot pick and chose your leadership or their policies.

[KGCNC]

^ Yep. There would need to be a uber large reason to disarm the populace. This country would not voluntarily disarm like a bunch of sheep like in England or Australia.

[eaglethebeagle]

Well i wish to beleive most if not all of you that are active serving still would understand at the time of something going down like grabbing guns or any other unconstitutional attack on Americans by our government(CinC) you would make the right call not just for civilians and Americans but for yourselves as well.

I know it sounds far fetched to think this is possible but I think all us have seen the gun grab that happened after Hurricane Katrina. If that were me I would be dead right now. They will never disarm me for any reason none....There is no reason to disarm a innocent lawful citizen in the United States. To do it and think there is any justification for it is communist / totalitarianism whatever it isnt American.

First thing to understand is in times of trouble that will be the exact time you need your weapon. To protect yourself and your family from potential chaos and unrest. If the government thinks they are justified to take away guns so to then protect the people from the people well unfortunately that is not legal as it is against our Constitution.

I am sorry guys for being "Dickhead the downer" but obama hates America if you follow politics closely like daily and see what he says what he has done and what he believes in then you understand that if he gets 4 more years he will evade the Constitution further and create laws to further eliminate our rights and freedoms.

The video just released this week with him doing a protest at Harvard when he was a student show his alliance with radical racist Professor Bell. Here is the link

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2012/03/07/obama-harvard-tapes-exposed-hannity

All the puzzle pieces have come together if they havnt already before now. obama and michelle both have stated their hate of America. They want to create a socialist nation with wealth distribution and less rights for us lowly less important than them Americans.

Gun rights haven't been obamas main focus but wait if he is reelected. He just said oil is the fuel of the past and that if you drive less that will lessen demand on oil and gas and the prices will adjust down.

Well he is wrong as we are using less fuel presently than any other time in the last 5 years. He wants to force us into his beleifs. He just showed he will trample your religious rights with forcing churches to offer contraception against any and all churches religions beliefs.

I could go on but its Friday and I am getting up and going to the gun show in the morning so for another day to continue.

Whether your religious or not if obama wants to take away rights of the church he will eventually take away a right that affects you and your family. He is anti American I truly beleive there has never been a president before him that was not patriotic despite their differing views. But obama is anti American and he is doing everything he can to change this country to how he wants it. The NDAA is anti Constitutional. He said he wants to eliminate 80% of our nukes..idiot...He has Iran praising him what the hell doesnt scare you about that? iran is praising obama...that is a very bad sign when your president is being praised by the fanatical leader of Iran.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/0308/Iran-offers-rare-praise-for-the-Great-Satan-video

[eaglethebeagle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H75P5MkUJio&feature=related

Well as a vet you can speak your mind about the president right? Mr. Ermey doesn't have a problem telling it like it is. I bet if anything Sgt. Gary Stein was likely influenced by this video if not some other occasion where he heard him speak.

[eaglethebeagle]

LTC Allen West points his finger right at obama about your military benefits being cut and reduced.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bQl1f_lZQ4

[eaglethebeagle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=V7wDcTOgvso

[MadeInRu]

Beags seriously, Fox News is the biggest propaganda channel in the western world. I'm sorry to say it, but what that guy said is nonsense. Typical propaganda of making some one look SOCIALIST. From the point of view where i'm standing, and it's the point of view of a person who don't gives a shit, this dude is just as full of bullshit as Obama is. And more videos i see of him, more certain i become of that.

[eaglethebeagle]

MadeinRu

You can support obama and his socialist fucked mind all you like I dont give a fuck. You can live in a socialist country and be from a communist country I dont care.

But dont fucking dont come on my thread and speak your shit about LTC Allen West. He is a fucking Army officer vet who I have more respect for than 99 % of the other politicians we have in this country.

You hate democracy as much as obama that is fine. Since you dont live here you at least know not to come to America just to bitch about America being non socialist. This man should not get bashed on this website for your made up dream reason. I know you love putin and dont like me bashing him but he is a dictator and even Russian people know it. I have friends from Russia and they have lived there under his dictator rule. That is why you are hearing of unrest and threats that he may not live to see the end of his newest term. They stopped the recent attempt on his life but maybe not the next.

So let me get this clear. If you start your own thread back here in forums and it is how you love putin and think putin is an attractive man and you really dig his style go ahead. I promise not to come bash him on your thread just because I know how you feel.

So likewise dont go on my threads and become like gazz and start with I hate everything about the stuff you like.

Its trolling and really queer to do.

[eaglethebeagle]

Beags seriously, Fox News is the biggest propaganda channel in the western world. I'm sorry to say it, but what that guy said is nonsense. Typical propaganda of making some one look SOCIALIST. From the point of view where i'm standing, and it's the point of view of a person who don't gives a shit, this dude is just as full of bullshit as Obama is. And more videos i see of him, more certain i become of that.

what exactly is the propaganda that you see in the foxnews report with LTC Allen West? What would be propaganda? Is there something that is untrue and false with the video? Please you seem to know so much about propaganda tell me what it was with this? I will be waiting and if you dont reply within a day I will send you a PM and ask you to reply here just so those who read this can learn from you about propaganda. Thanks my friend..

[serpa6]

Eagle first you do not own AC or any of its threads you like any other member is entitled to an opinion. This is not your private forum where you own it and if you want to argue with another members because you don't like the government or there opinions weather it be a news station and any of our governments politicians that is not right Any member can post what they think about the said post as long as they dont insult or attack each other I hope you understand this So with that being said Take a breath Apache and clam down

[MadeInRu]

Putin? Obama? I could care less.

For me any one who was made a president i would be fine with. Not because i support someone, but because i never vote. Alan West, all i see is a nice new project by another political party, playing patriotic feelings, and he is nothing else. Talking bad ass and all. Been there done that. What he did for US? Nothing... Talking his big mouth? Yes, Doing something useful? No.. All he did is what republican party allowed him to do.

No need to send me a PM lol, mate, i will answer you :), it's not against you or any one here.

But what that man saying is simply political work.

I will do more then answering you my friend, i will give you my professional opinion as a clinical psychologist.

Rapid blinking: nervous, not sure of his words - he's not telling the truth.

He keeps doing that during his entire speech, that's a bad sign.

His posture is that of the mummy, means it was learned. When a person feels deep about something, you WILL see a lot of body language gestures. None here, means he's actions are controlled. He's being guided by some one who told him how to act in that way, public will see him as a calm person.

He's not, he's a project. Beags, you can tell me all you want, but some one who understands those things can see that this man is a doll. He's there to make sure that hard core, right wing Americans are kept at bay. To make sure they will vote.

That person knows he's exaggerating and telling something that's not true.

He refers to class warfare - No clear cut here, no clear point was made, just a general unpopular and anti American remarks. - Always works!

All he says is what's not working, he never says what can work. He can tell you what's bad, but can't give an answer what needs to be done to improve things. Cause he has no clue.

All his talk is vague, no point, no solutions, no proves, no nothing... Only making sure that all his words are pointed that Obama is anti American. 1st year psychology class at the university in other words.

Impressions are better then facts. That's why we're so amazed about stories how Katana sword is made, but never amazed about how a BUCK knife is made, because: 1st are fairy tales, second is about technology.

He says Obama never runned anything.... And what did he he runned? A chicken pie expenses? What he says is equal to running a VERY small business... Nothing even coming closer to an average small size company. BUT!!!!!! He's using a military terms, so it adds a flavor!!!!!!!!

Put a salt on the shit and it will taste like a salty shit....

Empty words. He's a liar and nothing else, a project.

[MadeInRu]

As for Putin, i don't care if he's dead or alive, if he sees the end of his term or not. I l live in the Netherlands, Putin to me is the same as Obama, in other words they mean nothing to me. I don't vote, i don't support any one. they want Putin in Russia, fine by me. They want Obama in US, fine by me.

They want Dracula in Romania, what ever makes their day...

I don't care!

Simple as that.

[eaglethebeagle]

Putin? Obama? I could care less.

For me any one who was made a president i would be fine with. Not because i support someone, but because i never vote. Alan West, all i see is a nice new project by another political party, playing patriotic feelings, and he is nothing else. Talking bad ass and all. Been there done that. What he did for US? Nothing... Talking his big mouth? Yes, Doing something useful? No.. All he did is what republican party allowed him to do.

No need to send me a PM lol, mate, i will answer you :), it's not against you or any one here.

But what that man saying is simply political work.

I will do more then answering you my friend, i will give you my professional opinion as a clinical psychologist.

Rapid blinking: nervous, not sure of his words - he's not telling the truth.

He keeps doing that during his entire speech, that's a bad sign.

His posture is that of the mummy, means it was learned. When a person feels deep about something, you WILL see a lot of body language gestures. None here, means he's actions are controlled. He's being guided by some one who told him how to act in that way, public will see him as a calm person.

He's not, he's a project. Beags, you can tell me all you want, but some one who understands those things can see that this man is a doll. He's there to make sure that hard core, right wing Americans are kept at bay. To make sure they will vote.

That person knows he's exaggerating and telling something that's not true.

He refers to class warfare - No clear cut here, no clear point was made, just a general unpopular and anti American remarks. - Always works!

All he says is what's not working, he never says what can work. He can tell you what's bad, but can't give an answer what needs to be done to improve things. Cause he has no clue.

All his talk is vague, no point, no solutions, no proves, no nothing... Only making sure that all his words are pointed that Obama is anti American. 1st year psychology class at the university in other words.

Impressions are better then facts. That's why we're so amazed about stories how Katana sword is made, but never amazed about how a BUCK knife is made, because: 1st are fairy tales, second is about technology.

He says Obama never runned anything.... And what did he he runned? A chicken pie expenses? What he says is equal to running a VERY small business... Nothing even coming closer to an average small size company. BUT!!!!!! He's using a military terms, so it adds a flavor!!!!!!!!

Put a salt on the shit and it will taste like a salty shit....

Empty words. He's a liar and nothing else, a project.



LOL ok fine I dont believe you now as you sound like you are looking to get a rise out of me ....whatever as you heard in the interview he had a bill passed that by unanimous decision by both democrat and republican party that saved us tax payers millions in wasted tax dollars. So you clearly didnt hear that or like I said you are pulling on my balls to get some play.

[MadeInRu]

Beags, i heard it, he saved 30 million. How many bills he supported to waist billions?

They will never mention that.

Like saying: Hey, that guy helped a grandmother to walk over the street.. But what else has he done? History is silent ;)

[gazzthompson]

I'm no US Constitutional lawyer (Which ironicly, Obama is?) But if Obama is really destroying the Constitutions as people say he is... then HOW? How is Senate letting him get away with this? Why isn't under arrest or something? I Just don't see how the most known, public figure in the US can break the constitution and get away with it in front of everybody.

[veritas44]

I'm no US Constitutional lawyer (Which ironicly, Obama is?) But if Obama is really destroying the Constitutions as people say he is... then HOW? How is Senate letting him get away with this? Why isn't under arrest or something? I Just don't see how the most known, public figure in the US can break the constitution and get away with it in front of everybody.


Gazz...no your not a constitutional lawyer that is obvious and don't know much about the U.S. gov't. First the senate is majority democrats so
. there not going to do anything. Second you can't arrest a president, he must be impeached first but there aren't enough votes in the house or senate to impeach him.
Lastly he can only be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, his view of the constitution is neither. Sadly.


Eagle.
Your post on R. Lee Ermey.
A vet can say what he wants...yes he can up to a certain point. Federal law states any retired personnel receiving retirement benefits from the Gov't or personnel receiving benefits from VA hospitals are still subject to the UCMJ...they usually don't bother with it but they can and they have before.
I understand what your saying...I really do. They will never get my guns either. But for this marine he should remember that if it passes congress and the senate and is signed by El presidente, its constitutional until the supreme court says it ain't.
After Katrina a bill was passed and signed by bush forbiding the conficastion of weapons by the gov't or its proctors so if he said he wouldn't take peoples weapons from them then he right...but he shouldn't have made that kind of statement out of nowhere. He should have played his cards next to his chest and when and if an unlawful order was given, then he can refuse

[jamieooh]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/03/marine-sergeant-being-dismissed-for-criticizing-commander-in-chief.html

[Sixx]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/03/marine-sergeant-being-dismissed-for-criticizing-commander-in-chief.html


Good, boot that derelict.....

The UCMJ was written at a 3rd grade reading comprehension level.
Not that hard to follow and understand our rules.