Who would win war U.S. or China?

[Cruelbreed]

Who would win in a full out war, the United States or China. What strategies would the prosperous nation use? What would spark such a confrontation?

[Cruality]

Is this a serious question? While I find the discussion of such a question rather daunting I think the U.S. would win no questions asked. Superior technology in all areas. While technology is not the answer to everything, china does have a gigantic population at its hands and a bustling manufacturing industry.

If China could reach the U.S. homeland and drop a nuke, or shoot a intercontinental missile that would be tremendous trouble. It really boils down to which nation is less moral and resorts to weapons of mass destruction or biological weapons. In a fair fight, China would be utterly destroyed, why? I suspect by this point the U.S. will have a massive robot army, with UAV's dominating the fields and reconaissance in all areas.

While now supposedly suffering from a lack of engineers, the U.S. has a large creative nature to its industry, unlike the robotic, theft driven military of the chinese, who dwell on Russian technology and stolen U.S. technology. The comparison between chinese vs. U.S. university education is also another story, it's hard to refute that U.S. schools are not satisfactory but it's with no doubt that the top level U.S. universitys are far superior.

Victory U.S.: More robotic technology, highly armed population, dominant in the skys and in space

[Cruelbreed]

I think i'll have to agree that the U.S. would be the winner in such a battle.

[takashinakachi]

china = owned.

[Dozer]

I really think that America would kick China's ass. Think about it. We have been Fighting wars continuously for ages, almost nonstop, since the civil war. Every generation has it's war. WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan vs. Russia, Desert Storm, Bosnia, and now, Iraq. China Fights wars too, but most of the time, they are marching away in their strange variation of the duck walk, lined up at protests and such, but never really fighting. I can't remember when the last time since Vietnam where China has fought in a true all out war. We, however, have all sorts of crazy shit to throw at them. Why do you think that China wants to steal all of our secrets?

[kertinkretin]

You all are way off. China would own us. Firstly, a lot of things, even food, come from China. Now if they cut off their supply, it still wouldn't economically starve us. But their allies would. Iran, Saudi Arabia, and just about every Middle Eastern country would ally with China. Russia, ally with Iran, would follow suit. Now we are starved. Bye bye gasoline, or most of it anyway. Now its just us and Britain vs 2 nuclear powers and crazy countries with our gas. Really, I think Israel would have more to worry about.

[Cruality]

You all are way off. China would own us. Firstly, a lot of things, even food, come from China. Now if they cut off their supply, it still wouldn't economically starve us. But their allies would. Iran, Saudi Arabia, and just about every Middle Eastern country would ally with China. Russia, ally with Iran, would follow suit. Now we are starved. Bye bye gasoline, or most of it anyway. Now its just us and Britain vs 2 nuclear powers and crazy countries with our gas. Really, I think Israel would have more to worry about.

US and britain? I'm not sure about that. How about Japan, Australia, France, Spain, Canada.. there's a lot more. Econoically supposedly starving a nation means harm to various others. That's assuming we don't have tremendous reserves. We provide china with "a lot" of things also. I'll get back to this convo later ;)

[Cruality]

I really think that America would kick China's ass. Think about it. We have been Fighting wars continuously for ages, almost nonstop, since the civil war. Every generation has it's war. WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan vs. Russia, Desert Storm, Bosnia, and now, Iraq. China Fights wars too, but most of the time, they are marching away in their strange variation of the duck walk, lined up at protests and such, but never really fighting. I can't remember when the last time since Vietnam where China has fought in a true all out war. We, however, have all sorts of crazy shit to throw at them. Why do you think that China wants to steal all of our secrets?

He also brings up some really good points. Also, anyone ever wonder how much U.S. military technology is actually hidden from us? There could be many technologies that aren't readily available to the commoner but are most likely far beyond what we know about now.

[HolX]

You all are way off. China would own us. Firstly, a lot of things, even food, come from China. Now if they cut off their supply, it still wouldn't economically starve us. But their allies would. Iran, Saudi Arabia, and just about every Middle Eastern country would ally with China. Russia, ally with Iran, would follow suit. Now we are starved. Bye bye gasoline, or most of it anyway. Now its just us and Britain vs 2 nuclear powers and crazy countries with our gas. Really, I think Israel would have more to worry about.

It's pretty obvious that you haven't looked at the U.S. nuclear arsenal though. Oil is all a stupid ploy to create alternative fuel sources. If Venezuela decided it wanted to play that "bye bye gasoline" game we'd run in and take their oil by force. That's if the people don't overthrow Chavez for his socialist stupidity before the U.S. even had to do anything.

[thegeneral101]

^^^ pretty valid point I must say

[Uchi]

At this time, between our two prospering nations, it would have to be a failure of epic proportions within either nation's government to ignite war.

Farther down the road, give a take a few decades when the world's natural resources are depleted even more and inflation is unbearable by relative populations, desperate times will call out for desperate measures--human history proves this much, and the records show that we have not evolved much by way of thinking and philosophy these past millenia, despite what we have achieved.

As for the War itself: heavily depends on one nation's economic capacity and the availability of resources. Thus, neither side would be able to sustain all-out war for very long; stalemate. However, because war is not a game, should one of such of magnitude occur, we all lose.

[Cruelbreed]

However, because war is not a game, should one of such of magnitude occur, we all lose.

I think that's a great line and an intelligent point

[Cruelbreed]

A nuclear war won't leave this planet in tip top shape

[hungryaussie]

it depends who drop nukes first without warning. but obviously the U.S has more nukes like 1 million rofl.

every country has secret weapons.

since it is assumed technology is the winner, efficient killing is what people are after. the people's republic of china have the largest army in the world.
we're not talking about gunfire fights here, if so china's population is overwhelming.

if you want advanced technology to win you may as well spam nukes at each other.

[Fassin]

it depends who drop nukes first without warning. but obviously the U.S has more nukes like 1 million rofl.

every country has secret weapons.

since it is assumed technology is the winner, efficient killing is what people are after. the people's republic of china have the largest army in the world.
we're not talking about gunfire fights here, if so china's population is overwhelming.

if you want advanced technology to win you may as well spam nukes at each other.

With all the UAV's the U.S. is building, there's a point where a huge population may not help. Especially if you cannot arm them, teh U.S. has an extremely heavily armed population so invasion is almost a nono. In china, a chemical or biological weapon would spread like wild far. Chinese nukes would most likely never reach the U.S. before the U.S. nuked the shit out of China. If a confrontation like this truly came about, the very intercontinental missile china may have aimed at the U.S. will end up blowing up right over their own nation by some U.S. defense system.

[thegeneral101]

A nuclear war won't leave this planet in tip top shape


on a long enough time line, the earth would be fine

[Cruelbreed]

on a long enough time line, the earth would be fine

The nuclear fallout would cure itself you mean? Ever seen those videos of what would happen if NYC for example would just lose its human population in its entirety. Everything breaks down so fast and goes back to its natural state!

[Fassin]

If you really want to know what I think, then here it is.

I don't think there's anyway possible China would even have a chance. They're not a superpower THEY WILL NEVER BE A SUPER POWER. Chinese people in my opinion are some of the most robotic, uncreative individuals i've ever come across. Now that doesn't mean they're not great people, I have many interesting chinese friends. But lacking U.S. ingenuity China has no chance. Its communistic, parasitic, life sucking excuse of regime will topple that nation to the ground and worse. It's a joke that people even put the U.S. and China in the same sentence. China is a stupid FAD, they're economy will never surpass that of the U.S. It's a wannabe country, that has to rely on spying on other nations. Even their space program is a damned fraud, it's all done by Russian Space technology. Yeah, it's wonderful they teh government has the purchasing power to stifle teh success of the lower impoverished and buy cheap excuses for fame like space rockets, cruise missiles and aircraft.

The fact of the matter is that the Chinese regime is sucking the blood out of their country. Look at TIBET, i've canceled all plans to head to those olympics. China has absolutely no chance against the United States, not that they need a chance. Why in gods name would china fight the U.S. anyway, TAIWAN? NO way in hell the US would really go to war simply over taiwan, just gear the taiwanese up to the point where a chinese invasion would prove catastrophic to china itself. Just as the U.S. did to russia in the afghan wars, china loses.

[ghost]

China wouldn't do it. They have too much to lose. I highly doubt that anyone would be using nukes, either. The political fallout would be too great(no pun intended).

While they may have the largest standing military in the world, their logistics is shit. As difficult as it already is, you have to take into consideration that they are also lagging behind in this area(Logistics & Supply). Not just that, but if they were to bring the full capacity of their military to bear, there is no way in hell that you can supply, let alone feed, that many people(especially at the pace in which modern warfare is fought). Aside from logistics, they are also lacking in terms of force projection - getting troops from A to B. This is a problem. And lets not forget their lack of significant combat experience.

It would be a bloody fight, this is certain. But it is very unrealistic. Unless something drastic happened in the global socio-political spectrum, I don't see this happening anytime soon.

Now a more realistic scenario would be China vs Russia, but that's another topic.

[rpsgt]

China's large population would hurt them in such a situation. This isnt the civil war era. I would like to see a link that states we get food imports from China. I dont buy it. (unless its Peking Duck)

The good news, I dont think a war between the US and China would ever happen.

Just my two cents.

[nastyleg]

To underestimate the enemy is deadly to over estimate your own abiities if fatal. All China has to do is cash in the debt we sold them. that would single handedly make them the super economic power. Why fight a physical war when you can wage an economic war. Besides how many times have they done documentories on driver ants. Driver ants consume all in thier path. Who is to say they wouldn't enslave conquired contries citizens to use a forced labor to help supply thier Army? Russians did it to the Germans afte ww2. Japan did it during ww2. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

[Cruelbreed]

lol check the packaged fish you can buy in any supermarket... "Wild Caught product of China" what a damn sham, Salmon too. My thought is some of the companies that catch this stuff send to China for processing. Imagine that chemicals that get mixed up through the way? AGHHH scary