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serpa6
10-27-2011, 10:46 PM
Originaly posted by Joelee:

The Washington, D.C. Office of Human Rights confirmed that it is investigating allegations that Catholic University violated the human rights of Muslim students by not allowing them to form a Muslim student group and by not providing them rooms without Christian symbols for their daily prayers.The investigation alleges that Muslim students “must perform their prayers surrounded by symbols of Catholicism – e.g., a wooden crucifix, paintings of Jesus, pictures of priests and theologians which many Muslim students find inappropriate.”



A spokesperson for the Office of Human Rights told Fox News they had received a 60-page complaint against the private university. The investigation, they said, could take as long a six months.

The complaint was filed by John Banzhaf, an attorney and professor at George Washington University Law School. Banzhaf has been involved in previous litigation against the school involving the same-sex residence halls. He also alleged in his complaint involving Muslim students that women at the university were being discriminated against. You can read more on those allegations by clicking here.



Banzhaf said some Muslim students were particularly offended because they had to meditate in the school’s chapels “and at the cathedral that looms over the entire campus – the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception.”



“It shouldn’t be too difficult somewhere on the campus for the university to set aside a small room where Muslims can pray without having to stare up and be looked down upon by a cross of Jesus,” he told Fox News.



A spokesman for Catholic University released a statement to Fox News indicating they had not seen any legal filings — but would respond once they do.



“Our faithfulness to our Catholic tradition has also made us a welcome home to students of other religions,” said Victor Nakas, associate vice president for public affairs. “No students have registered complaints about the exercise of their religions on our campus.”



In a 2010 interview with National Public Radio, university president John Garvey acknowledged that they don’t set aside prayer rooms for Muslim students.



“We make classrooms available, or our chapels are places where they can pray,” he told NPR. “We don’t offer Halal meat, although there are always meals that conform to Halal regulations, that allow students to do what they want.”



Banzhaf said that it is technically not illegal for Catholic University to refuse to provide rooms devoid of religious icons.

“It may not be illegal, but it suggests they are acting improperly and probably with malice,” he said. “They do have to pray five times a day, they have to look around for empty classrooms and to be sitting there trying to do Muslim prayers with a big cross looking down or a picture of Jesus or a picture of the Pope is not very conductive to their religion.”



As for the creation of a Muslim student group, Banzhaf said the university has an association of Jewish students – so why not a Muslim group?



“I think they are entitled as a matter of law to be able to form a Muslim student association and to have the same privileges as associations,” he said. “I think that most of them would much prefer to have a place to pray – that they are not surrounded by various Catholic symbols – a place that is more conductive to their religious beliefs than being surrounded by pictures of Popes.”



Garvey, in his 2010 interview with NPR, addressed that issue.



“It’s just not something that we view as an activity that we want to sponsor because we’re a Catholic institution rather than Muslim,” he said.



Patrick Reilly, the president of the Cardinal Newman Society, an organization that promotes Catholic identity among Catholic schools, seemed stunned by the complaint.



“I don’t know what the attorney wants them to do – if he wants them to actually move the Basilica or if the Muslim students can find someplace where they don’t have to look at it,” he told Fox News.



Catholic University, he said, is a Catholic institution.



“One wouldn’t expect a Jewish institution to be responsible for providing liturgical opportunities for other faiths and I wouldn’t expect a Catholic institution to do that,” he said.



“This attorney is really turning civil rights on its head,” he said. “He’s using the law for his own discrimination against the Catholic institution and essentially saying Catholic University cannot operate according to Catholic principles.”

nastyleg
10-27-2011, 11:45 PM
Originaly posted by Joelee:

The Washington, D.C. Office of Human Rights confirmed that it is investigating allegations that Catholic University violated the human rights of Muslim students by not allowing them to form a Muslim student group and by not providing them rooms without Christian symbols for their daily prayers.The investigation alleges that Muslim students “must perform their prayers surrounded by symbols of Catholicism – e.g., a wooden crucifix, paintings of Jesus, pictures of priests and theologians which many Muslim students find inappropriate.”



A spokesperson for the Office of Human Rights told Fox News they had received a 60-page complaint against the private university. The investigation, they said, could take as long a six months.

The complaint was filed by John Banzhaf, an attorney and professor at George Washington University Law School. Banzhaf has been involved in previous litigation against the school involving the same-sex residence halls. He also alleged in his complaint involving Muslim students that women at the university were being discriminated against. You can read more on those allegations by clicking here.



Banzhaf said some Muslim students were particularly offended because they had to meditate in the school’s chapels “and at the cathedral that looms over the entire campus – the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception.”



“It shouldn’t be too difficult somewhere on the campus for the university to set aside a small room where Muslims can pray without having to stare up and be looked down upon by a cross of Jesus,” he told Fox News.



A spokesman for Catholic University released a statement to Fox News indicating they had not seen any legal filings — but would respond once they do.



“Our faithfulness to our Catholic tradition has also made us a welcome home to students of other religions,” said Victor Nakas, associate vice president for public affairs. “No students have registered complaints about the exercise of their religions on our campus.”



In a 2010 interview with National Public Radio, university president John Garvey acknowledged that they don’t set aside prayer rooms for Muslim students.



“We make classrooms available, or our chapels are places where they can pray,” he told NPR. “We don’t offer Halal meat, although there are always meals that conform to Halal regulations, that allow students to do what they want.”



Banzhaf said that it is technically not illegal for Catholic University to refuse to provide rooms devoid of religious icons.

“It may not be illegal, but it suggests they are acting improperly and probably with malice,” he said. “They do have to pray five times a day, they have to look around for empty classrooms and to be sitting there trying to do Muslim prayers with a big cross looking down or a picture of Jesus or a picture of the Pope is not very conductive to their religion.”



As for the creation of a Muslim student group, Banzhaf said the university has an association of Jewish students – so why not a Muslim group?



“I think they are entitled as a matter of law to be able to form a Muslim student association and to have the same privileges as associations,” he said. “I think that most of them would much prefer to have a place to pray – that they are not surrounded by various Catholic symbols – a place that is more conductive to their religious beliefs than being surrounded by pictures of Popes.”



Garvey, in his 2010 interview with NPR, addressed that issue.



“It’s just not something that we view as an activity that we want to sponsor because we’re a Catholic institution rather than Muslim,” he said.



Patrick Reilly, the president of the Cardinal Newman Society, an organization that promotes Catholic identity among Catholic schools, seemed stunned by the complaint.



“I don’t know what the attorney wants them to do – if he wants them to actually move the Basilica or if the Muslim students can find someplace where they don’t have to look at it,” he told Fox News.



Catholic University, he said, is a Catholic institution.



“One wouldn’t expect a Jewish institution to be responsible for providing liturgical opportunities for other faiths and I wouldn’t expect a Catholic institution to do that,” he said.



“This attorney is really turning civil rights on its head,” he said. “He’s using the law for his own discrimination against the Catholic institution and essentially saying Catholic University cannot operate according to Catholic principles.”

So why are Muslims going to a catholic school?

Sixx
10-28-2011, 02:15 AM
^^
Yeah really....it doesn't make sense to a rational person.

This just reinforces the whole "The goal of Islam is the subjugation of the entire world to Islam through the establishment of a global Islamic rule and the eradication of all non-Islamic populations, cultures, religions, thoughts, knowledge, symbols, traditions and ways of life." thingie



There will never be peace on earth.

gazzthompson
10-28-2011, 05:06 AM
Though I dont really see this as them spreading Islam to others, I can't help but think... what a bunch of fucking idiots.

ErisKillton
10-28-2011, 07:42 AM
What an asshole this lawyer guy is.

Anyone who would take this obviously frivolous case and waste the courts time and money with this bullshit when there are more important proceedings that get pushed back.

"how hard would it be" to make a little place for the muslims to meditate at in a CATHOLIC school?
How hard would it be for these fools too just go to a different school? Pretty sure they teach the same things at community college, or a state university...for less money than it takes to go to a private school and hire some shyster lawyer....thats for sure.

This guys is testing the limits of our judicial system and taking advantage of it just to make a name for himself. I doubt he gives a shit where anyone prays...It sucks that it only takes one asshole to ruin it for the rest.

Lame.



PS...thanks for moving this post to the forum Serpa! :)

Sixx
10-28-2011, 10:30 AM
Though I dont really see this as them spreading Islam to others, I can't help but think... what a bunch of fucking idiots.

Me personally, I think all forms of religion should not be forced upon people or imposed.
Organized Religion is part of our World's problem. Our world has grown large, with no respect for fellow human beings or it's diversity.

However gazz, if you go to some anti-Islam sites or watch videos......every action from Muslims fit in with what they are preaching(anti-Muslims). Why is that? Of course the typical answer would be "oh they are just the extremists, every religion has them"

But what I don't understand is.....that is a lot of extremists, nations full. So, I really don't buy into the whole "just a few extremist" stuff.


Imagine a day with zero religious conflicts, that would be great.
Too bad it will never happen.

gazzthompson
10-28-2011, 10:46 AM
I too dream of that day... maybe happen though? In like a million years..

762happy
10-28-2011, 02:56 PM
the reason gazzthompson you don't see the spread of islame and communism is that your head is up your ass wake up brother.

nastyleg
10-28-2011, 06:30 PM
the reason gazzthompson you don't see the spread of islame and communism is that your head is up your ass wake up brother.

Watch the tone 762happy. Find a better way to get your point accross. Never get down to the level if a politician with name calling or mud slinging.

gazzthompson
10-29-2011, 07:54 AM
the reason gazzthompson you don't see the spread of islame and communism is that your head is up your ass wake up brother.

I was talking about this specific situation, and leave the communism paranoia out of it... i really could not give less of a shit.

ErisKillton
10-29-2011, 09:21 AM
The only person who needs to wake up is the person who thought this thread had anything to do at all with communism.

LOL....

eaglethebeagle
11-11-2011, 04:10 AM
yes just another example of their wanting to insert their fucked up beliefs on the entire world. I think Christians and Jews should sue muslims for not making mosque more friendly. There should be a cross and picture of Jesus at every mosque and they should light the Menorah in each mosque during Hanukkah.

serpa6
11-11-2011, 09:28 PM
The Muslums should have there own university but they dont allow courses in beating women molesting little children and fucking donkey here or in any non muslum dominated country They should make a room in a barn and put pigs in the barn so they can pray Fuck them
Just Sayin

KGCNC
11-11-2011, 10:58 PM
I about drove into a ditch from laughter when I heard this frivolous shit on the radio a few weeks back.

darklordxxx
11-13-2011, 12:07 PM
Is the USA going mad, why is this shit going on. First thing is to clean house all them fucks at the white house get them all out. Someone like me on the outside would say, it looks like they are trying to distroy there nation. Get rid of that fucken muslum in the white house. and make laws that no muslum can run for any office because all they want to do is impose sharia and we all see what good comes from that. just saying..........................

gazzthompson
11-13-2011, 01:07 PM
Is the USA going mad, why is this shit going on. First thing is to clean house all them fucks at the white house get them all out. Someone like me on the outside would say, it looks like they are trying to distroy there nation. Get rid of that fucken muslum in the white house. and make laws that no muslum can run for any office because all they want to do is impose sharia and we all see what good comes from that. just saying..........................

hahahahahahahahahhaa, brilliant.

goinloco1
11-14-2011, 12:24 AM
and muslims dont violate human rights in what way?

gutro
11-14-2011, 11:11 AM
So why are Muslims going to a catholic school?

So they can do exactly what they are doing now.... trying to impose their religion onto others. That's the ONLY reason.....
I wouldn't go to school in Iraq and bitch and complain about constantly hearing "Alah Ackbar".... it's their way.... if you don't like it, go fuck yourself and go to a different school!

gazzthompson
11-14-2011, 01:06 PM
Though this is unbelievably idiotic I dont really see this as them trying to spread islam, unless they ask that the other students also have to have these rules imposed on them, which i didn't see, but might have missed.

serpa6
11-14-2011, 09:13 PM
Though this is unbelievably idiotic I dont really see this as them trying to spread islam, unless they ask that the other students also have to have these rules imposed on them, which i didn't see, but might have missed.

That gazz is how they start off getting there foot in the door Then before you know it they will try converting from one to there beliefs. You are a very smart man all you have to do is read between the lines..................